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Adding baseball & softball not as expensive as I thought

Buffnik

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From a facilities standpoint, if CU could get it approved for the South Campus then it's not that steep of a price tag. We're really talking about the annual budget for coaches, recruiting, travel, equipment and scholarships in terms of the AD impact.

It's a lot of money, but this is do-able. Hope to see plans materialize once the football house is in order with completed facility enhancements for all of Folsom and Coors.

Or maybe we'll get lucky and a local or alum with a lot of money will step up and make this happen sooner.
 
Buffnik said:


From a facilities standpoint, if CU could get it approved for the South Campus then it's not that steep of a price tag. We're really talking about the annual budget for coaches, recruiting, travel, equipment and scholarships in terms of the AD impact.

It's a lot of money, but this is do-able. Hope to see plans materialize once the football house is in order with completed facility enhancements for all of Folsom and Coors.

Or maybe we'll get lucky and a local or alum with a lot of money will step up and make this happen sooner.
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You might not be an alum, but you're local... o_O
 
TimmyDUBs said:
You might not be an alum, but you're local... o_O
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You're right! We're halfway to making this happen. Now we just need to figure out the small detail of coming up with a $10 MM endowment to get the stadium built and the programs started. Maybe an Allbuffs bake sale?
 
Buffnik said:
You're right! We're halfway to making this happen. Now we just need to figure out the small detail of coming up with a $10 MM endowment to get the stadium built and the programs started. Maybe an Allbuffs bake sale?
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You left off a zero.

I'd prefer to add men's lacrosse. I was astounded at the level of support the men's club team has. They get hundreds of people to their games. Maybe thousands. It's incredible.
Outside of that, I'd prefer wrestling as it provides a good tie in to football. Baseball should be somewhere below hockey on the priority list, IMO.
 
sackman said:
You left off a zero.

I'd prefer to add men's lacrosse. I was astounded at the level of support the men's club team has. They get hundreds of people to their games. Maybe thousands. It's incredible.
Outside of that, I'd prefer wrestling as it provides a good tie in to football. Baseball should be somewhere below hockey on the priority list, IMO.
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This X 1000

I don't see CU being competitive in baseball and I don't see it as being a big benefit to the university. Baseball fans tend to skew older and I don't think it would generate a lot of positive benefit.

My preference would be wrestling. You could build the core of quality program with Colorado kids adding a few out of staters to finish it off. It wouldn't require a big investment in facilities and we could have a solid OOC schedule without a lot of expensive travel.

Lacrosse is growing leaps and bounds at the HS level, especially in the upper middle income and higher demographics, a target group CU wants to appeal to. DU has proven that you can successfully recruit talent here. Again no expensive facilities and much less travel that baseball would require.
 
Love to see CU add softball and baseball. Now that I dropped the Pac 12 Network until volleyball season, I've been watching softball on the B1G, SEC and Longhorn networks. Those kids can play.

Part of the problem with these sports in Boulder would be weather.
 
buffgal said:
Love to see CU add softball and baseball. Now that I dropped the Pac 12 Network until volleyball season, I've been watching softball on the B1G, SEC and Longhorn networks. Those kids can play.

Part of the problem with these sports in Boulder would be weather.
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True. But if Utah can do it...
 
For folks suggesting wrestling, hockey, etc. over baseball, there is an added problem with those sports compared to baseball. For each men's sport that would be added, you'd need to add a women's sport with an equal number of scholarships. In that way baseball has a leg up, because if you build the facilities for baseball then it's (relatively) inexpensive to add softball.

In my estimation, softball is the next women's sport that CU could reasonably offer. Here are the major (discounting bowling, fencing, rowing, rifle) NCAA-recognized programs where CU does not have a women's team:

  • Softball (requires facilities, and 12 scholarships)
  • Hockey (requires facilities and 18 scholarships. Also, there are only 35 programs in the country right now, no Pac 12 programs, and only 4 west of the Mississippi, 3 of which are in Minnesota. Figuring out travel/schedule would be a huge pain)
  • Beach Volleyball (requires facilities and 3 scholarships- is it realistic in Colorado?)
  • Field Hockey (no facilities, 12 scholarships)
  • Gymnastics (facilities required and 12 scholarships)
  • Swimming/diving (facilities required since those ****ing idiot students had to have a Ralphie pool, 14 scholarships)
  • Water Polo (facilities required and 8 scholarships)
Men's baseball requires 12 scholarships,
Men's Hockey requires 18 scholarships
Men's Wrestling requires 10 scholarships,
Men's Soccer requires 10 scholarships
Men's Lacrosse requires 13 scholarships

So, if you wanted to add Men's hockey, you'd also have to reasonably add women's hockey. This is 12 more scholarships per year than baseball/softball.
 
Lacrosse, wrestling, women's gymnastics, women's diving, women's field hockey, women's bowling. A tone of alternatives to building a baseball/softball complex that will actually cost less and maintain Title 9 standing.
 
SuperiorBuff said:
Lacrosse, wrestling, women's gymnastics, women's diving, women's field hockey, women's bowling. A tone of alternatives to building a baseball/softball complex that will actually cost less and maintain Title 9 standing.
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None of those sports have the required facilities, so you'd have to factor that in, and you're talking about adding 46 annual scholarships per year vs. 24. That would be ~ $495K extra per year for your scenario, and that does not include all the extra travel. In no world does that scenario come to be less than adding baseball/softball.
 
SuperiorBuff said:
Lacrosse, wrestling, women's gymnastics, women's diving, women's field hockey, women's bowling. A tone of alternatives to building a baseball/softball complex that will actually cost less and maintain Title 9 standing.
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I like this list, but I'd replace bowling with ultimate frisbee (hate the sport, but some peeps like it, and it has a good player count)
 
Denver_sc said:
For folks suggesting wrestling, hockey, etc. over baseball, there is an added problem with those sports compared to baseball. For each men's sport that would be added, you'd need to add a women's sport with an equal number of scholarships. In that way baseball has a leg up, because if you build the facilities for baseball then it's (relatively) inexpensive to add softball.

In my estimation, softball is the next women's sport that CU could reasonably offer. Here are the major (discounting bowling, fencing, rowing, rifle) NCAA-recognized programs where CU does not have a women's team:

  • Softball (requires facilities, and 12 scholarships)
  • Hockey (requires facilities and 18 scholarships. Also, there are only 35 programs in the country right now, no Pac 12 programs, and only 4 west of the Mississippi, 3 of which are in Minnesota. Figuring out travel/schedule would be a huge pain)
  • Beach Volleyball (requires facilities and 3 scholarships- is it realistic in Colorado?)
So, if you wanted to add Men's hockey, you'd also have to reasonably add women's hockey. This is 12 more scholarships per year than baseball/softball.
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ASU has a d1 hockey team
 
LAX is a no brainer. CU will not compete in conference. The Oregon State model is such an outlier and pretty unexplainable. LAX we win big in 4 years. And youth care to watch.
 
Denver_sc said:
None of those sports have the required facilities, so you'd have to factor that in, and you're talking about adding 46 annual scholarships per year vs. 24. That would be ~ $495K extra per year for your scenario, and that does not include all the extra travel. In no world does that scenario come to be less than adding baseball/softball.
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I know that Carlson is slated to become classrooms, but is has gymnastics and wrestling capabilities. We have a diving pit and bowling lanes.
 
What kind of facilities do you need to wrestle? Wrestling, gymnastics, field hockey could all be accommodated in the next round of upgrades to Folsom on the West side of the Dal Ward center.
 
The path to Men's LAX, as I've mentioned before, is Women's Rowing for Title IX.

That's 20 Women's scholarships. (KSU did this and just built the team out of in-state girls who were on the honor roll while earning all-state honors in some other sport - then taught them to row.) Team would probably use the Boulder Res to compete.

Men's LAX is 12.6 scholarships. That puts CU at +7.4 in the deal for Title IX.

Add Sand Volleyball for the Women (3 scholarships) and we'd then be +10.4.

Within that, we could have Men's Volleyball (4.5) + Men's Tennis (4.5) and still be good. Or we could add Men's Soccer (9.9).

I stand by my hope of seeing baseball and softball at CU.

However, would I be on board with Women's Rowing + Women's Sand Volleyball along with getting Men's LAX + Men's Soccer? Hell yes, I would. And there's no real facility investment needed to make that happen.
 
The easiest and cheapest sport to add for both men and women is cycling. Imagine the domination that would occur if CU just offered scholarships there. The club team already does damn well even without them. If you're looking to add something that could one day be a break even sport, then go with lacrosse, someone already mentioned this but the sport is growing rapidly and people seem to love to watch it. While I would love to see baseball and softball at CU I just don't see it happening considering facilities requirements.
Course there is always an NCAA Rifle program....what self respecting shooter wouldn't want to come to Colorado??
 
CitizenKane said:
The easiest and cheapest sport to add for both men and women is cycling. Imagine the domination that would occur if CU just offered scholarships there. The club team already does damn well even without them. If you're looking to add something that could one day be a break even sport, then go with lacrosse, someone already mentioned this but the sport is growing rapidly and people seem to love to watch it. While I would love to see baseball and softball at CU I just don't see it happening considering facilities requirements.
Course there is always an NCAA Rifle program....what self respecting shooter wouldn't want to come to Colorado??
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Cycling isn't NCAA-sanctioned yet. There are some schools that compete in it and award scholarships, though. It's a natural fit for CU if it ever becomes an NCAA varsity sport. Absolutely.
 
Buffnik said:
Cycling isn't NCAA-sanctioned yet. There are some schools that compete in it and award scholarships, though. It's a natural fit for CU if it ever becomes an NCAA varsity sport. Absolutely.
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Thanks for clearing that one up for me Buffnik. Didn't realize it wasn't sanctioned yet.
 
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