pcbuff
Well-Known Member
Reverse those and I’m with you. System begets line targets.
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All-in-one assistant coach suggestions for CU
- Thread starter Buffnik
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It is a bit different working under Jimbo Fisher (who clearly runs the offense) and working for Tucker, who would give Coley freedom to run the offense.
Chev is a pretty good recruiter and has great relationships within our footprint. Hagan has some good relationships within our footprint but that’s about all he brings, IMO.
Fine with Chev and Hagan staying on staff. Do not want them in their current roles.
im not...kick him up into the AD but get him off the staff
He could be an analyst or QC coach. There are other positions that keep him on staff, that reduce his responsibilities.
if he's a quality control i'm all for it, but i don't think thats' what it's gonna be... if it was me move him into an AD position just under Carl
brockbuff
Well-Known Member
I think Chev will keep the same title. He just won’t hsce play calling duties. That way it’s not as big of a demotion
Two guys who have a track record as pretty good recruiters and who bleed black and gold (they want to be here). I dont see Chiv retaining the OC title but I can see him surviving as WR coach. It wouldnt surprise me if they survive. In Chiv's case it could be a good learning opportunity for him.
Hagan got one guy that was a solid recruit (Darrell Scott) and he turned out to be a bust. He brought in Phil Lindsay but he was a diamond in the rough, not Hagan being some RB recruiting legend.
He's well loved. I think its less likely he survives than Chiv. I can see him sliding back into the front office. I doubt he leaves.
i am so excited to see who he brings in-- especially coordinators. our best offenses have always, always been super tough and physical. the idea of combining that with all the grass basketball stuff is intriguing. one thing is for damn sure-- we won't be running as many plays that start out at or behind the LOS. philosophically, good physical teams gain yards. every play. this is a vertical game, not sideline to sideline.
w00t.
now i gotta go work for awhile . sigh.
w00t.
now i gotta go work for awhile . sigh.
Bieniemy recruited Lindsay
DavisBuff
Club Member
I’m fine with keeping Chev and Hagan on the staff for their continued recruiting.
They would likely need to accept a demotion.
I’d shift Chev to ST/RC. He was ST coach for awhile a TT. To give the new OC total control without conflict. Also he wouldn’t be coaching his kids position group.
Tee Martin as WR coach would be awesome for recruiting.
I’d shift Hagan to player development non-staff position if Tucker finds a better RB coach. I like Hagan more than most on this board. He recruits well and his RBs have been very good. Who’s to say that one of the younger backs won’t step up next year.
They would likely need to accept a demotion.
I’d shift Chev to ST/RC. He was ST coach for awhile a TT. To give the new OC total control without conflict. Also he wouldn’t be coaching his kids position group.
Tee Martin as WR coach would be awesome for recruiting.
I’d shift Hagan to player development non-staff position if Tucker finds a better RB coach. I like Hagan more than most on this board. He recruits well and his RBs have been very good. Who’s to say that one of the younger backs won’t step up next year.
The ST only coach is a non-starter.
And Hagan's RBs have been very good? Really? Aside from Lindsay, who else are you talking about? (McMillian was a finished product when he got here)
It's got to be one difficult task to evaluate an existing coaching staff. The performance results are certainly easy to evaluate, but HCMT has no idea how they interact in a meeting room, their coaching style during practice, and how much of their performance was impacted/shunted by the direction of the FHCMM.
That's why I think he'll lean towards relationships he already has in place. The question will be, how many of those coaches will leave for a CU opportunity. This is going to be fascinating to watch.
That's why I think he'll lean towards relationships he already has in place. The question will be, how many of those coaches will leave for a CU opportunity. This is going to be fascinating to watch.
That's right. Well that adds to my argument that Hagan has not at all proved he is a dynamic recruiter and really hasn't proved that he's a must keep member on staff.
chitownbuff
Club Member
Recruiting prowess is pretty obvious ...
Who has he recruited that has been a great player for us? Especially in the last 6 years?
True, but even that can be impacted by an ineffective process put in place by the head coach.
If this is the primary criteria for HCMT, then I only see Chev as a possible candidate. If he's looking for other characteristics, then I can see him retaining more - that is unless he already has a list of candidates that he prefers and can obtain.
All of them had the same HC. Hagan was non-productive as a coach and a recruiter. Hell Bernardi did about as well and if you care to go recruit by recruit you will see that.
We are in the revisionist history phase where everything was the old coach's fault. The new S&C guy is going to be 10x better than the last guy, just wait for it. From a recruiting standpoint, Hagan was not top half here.
DavisBuff
Club Member
ST only could work. Add TE to RB coach.
Yes really. Lindsay and McMillian have been very good. How can you ask who else. They have been the only RBs to play since Hagan took over the RBs. Hagan is starting to build some depth, but we won’t know how that’s going until next year. Why assume they are going to be bad?
Cause Hagan hasn't played them? When a guy is good and young, he plays. See: PL & Speedy.
The fact that McMillian came in unchallenged and that a walkon got the rest of the snaps (and then Bisharat) is probably the clue to the answer that Duff will provide....
If we emulate SEC powerhouses we kick the **** out of the PAC 12
Add TE to RB coach? Are you serious? We already saw what happens with that set-up!
When only two guys play most of the snaps at a position like RB over three seasons, that should tell you depth is a problem, not a strength. McMillian waltzed in and grabbed the starting job, no questions asked. That is an issue.
If Hagan did not have Buffs ties, no one would be pushing for him to be retained. No one. The ties matter as a tiebreaker, not as the primary argument.
There should be no pressure or suggestions from the AD on who to keep, in my opinion. That's something I've been critical of RG in the past for (if in fact rumors are true) and I remain suspicious that RG (with his right hand man Lance Carl) created issues in meddling in the end of MM's tenure.
If you don't believe your HC is capable, then fire him. But don't get involved with who the assistants are. That never works.
If you don't believe your HC is capable, then fire him. But don't get involved with who the assistants are. That never works.