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Andre (Edit: LEAVING FOR NBA)
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BlackNGold
Club Member
I think it is a tough call. The Draft is not deep this year - suppose to be deeper next year. So he could improve and still not change his draft position very much by coming back.
My own opinion is that he is not an NBA caliber talent. His hands are not good enough. But I have been wrong before.
My own opinion is that he is not an NBA caliber talent. His hands are not good enough. But I have been wrong before.
Dre's hands aren't the issue. It's his shot that will hold him back.
BlackNGold
Club Member
In the NBA his hands will be the issue. Everyone has to be able to handle the ball unless they are a 6'10" or above wide body. His mid-range shot is much better than his ball handling skills. He is never going to be a scorer in the NBA so to make it at that level he has to be able to rebound, defend, handle the ball and pass. He has trouble with the last two which is going to limit him at the next level.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
It's a weak draft, but I do think there is a bit more potential to Dre's development of a shot than some believe (don't get me wrong, he's never going to be killing it from the perimeter). However, I disagree with those who say there's no way he can raise his stock anymore if he sticks around. He most certainly can. Of course, it remains to be seen (officially) if he chooses to do so, and whether he puts in the time in the gym to take care of the task at hand. Those who have followed my posts here know I've been one of the bigger skeptics of Dre leaving early since the debate started two years ago. I wish him nothing but the best, but it's beyond my desire for CU in the Elite 8 next year that still makes me believe he should strongly consider staying. Would be beyond painful next March to be seeing Dre in Sioux Falls after being a mid-range 2nd round pick and taking the "developmental route". And no, that's hardly an unrealistic scenario, god forbid.
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This. A thousand times this.
Honestly, I feel for Dre. Heading in to this year, many thought he was a first round pick, and he tried to alter his game to show that and it backfired. Now he's stuck in a tricky spot. Does he cut his losses and go pro or does he stay and hope a Sweet 16 run boosts his stock back up again in a much tougher draft class? Plus you know his friends and the team are trying to encourage him to come back. I honsetly can't imagine how much pressure he's feeling right now.
cubuffs85
Active Member
If he's going undrafted as he has been in some of the mocks, of course he can raise his stock. He's not exactly a lottery pick, where there's almost nowhere to go but down in many cases.
I'm not sure what kind of student he is, but staying another year/graduating probably isn't the worst thing in the world regardless. It's a tough decision but leaving your mark on the best potential CU team in a long, long time would be something.
cubuffs85
Active Member
I feel like this debate has swung in both directions, myself included. I think he was pretty confident he was gone, that's why he sent out that tweet (which he later clarified and subequently deleted).
While I first said, I only thought he should go if he were a clear first round pick, which is very unlikely to happen, I'd say if he could be drafted in the middle of the 2nd round and all but get a guaranteed contract, I'd go if I were him. It's very tricky to say the least. As others have mentioned, I don't want to see him in some remote town or obscure country at this point next year.
jgisland
Club Member
Ryan Thorburn @RyanThorburn 1m Will Andre Roberson return to #CUBuffs or enter NBA draft? Tad Boyle thinks answer to question might not come until April 28 deadline nears.
You don't lead the NCAA in rebounding 3/4 of the way through the season if you have bad hands. He can improve his ball handling, but I don't think thats a function of Dre having bad hands.
Dre's hands are fine. He needs to work on his jumper, FT shot, handle, and strength. He's got the rest.
If I were Dre, i would enter the draft without an agent. Go through those pre draft sessions and see what happens. Then if he decides to come back, he'll know exactly what he needs to do to get into that 1st round next year.
fairdinkum
New Member
The NBA teams have already told him their thoughts. I know one team said go back to school. I dont know what the others said but most likely the same...
Buffenuf
massive tool
If Levi Knutson and Dufault can make comfortable livings playing in Europe (keeping the Dream alive ala Copeland), then Dre could do more than that after staying put at CU and graduating next spring, even if he's not a draft choice. Europe is not a bad option (its a very good one) these days as a developmental situation.
Gee, Sioux Falls, Bakersfield, Portland Maine or......Madrid, Rome or even Tel Aviv? Choices, choices:
"The worst part about basketball players staying in the USA and playing in the D-league is the fact that most D-league salaries range from only $12,000 to $24,000. Average overseas players can get a $65,000 contract with ease. Depending on the league that players get into in Europe, salaries can start as high as $100,000. Not only is there a big discrepancy between the salaries, but the money made in Europe is typically tax free. The club oftentimes will pay your taxes to the country you are playing in. That American who is playing overseas may also receive credit with the United States government for paying their taxes. Further, most European clubs commonly pay for a player’s living expenses. That includes providing a player with a car and lodging. So the player in Europe can be saved from taxes and the more expensive living expenses."
from http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2012...asketball-why-dont-more-players-go-to-europe/
Gee, Sioux Falls, Bakersfield, Portland Maine or......Madrid, Rome or even Tel Aviv? Choices, choices:
"The worst part about basketball players staying in the USA and playing in the D-league is the fact that most D-league salaries range from only $12,000 to $24,000. Average overseas players can get a $65,000 contract with ease. Depending on the league that players get into in Europe, salaries can start as high as $100,000. Not only is there a big discrepancy between the salaries, but the money made in Europe is typically tax free. The club oftentimes will pay your taxes to the country you are playing in. That American who is playing overseas may also receive credit with the United States government for paying their taxes. Further, most European clubs commonly pay for a player’s living expenses. That includes providing a player with a car and lodging. So the player in Europe can be saved from taxes and the more expensive living expenses."
from http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2012...asketball-why-dont-more-players-go-to-europe/
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jgisland
Club Member
Playing in Europe over playing in the D-League is a no-brainer unless you are a player with a guaranteed NBA contract and they send you down. Nobody is going to argue that, but the big difference between Dre and Levi/Austin is that the NBA was never a real option for them. It is for Dre, if there NBA doesn't work out for him there will be other options, but nobody grows up dreaming of playing in Europe.
rolandftw
Club Member
Ryan Thorburn @RyanThorburn20m
Boyle believes someone is telling Andre he could be a first-round pick. #misinformation
Boyle believes someone is telling Andre he could be a first-round pick. #misinformation
rolandftw
Club Member
Yeah, it's bad advice... I don't see anyone drafting him in the first round. More from Thorburn:
- Ryan Thorburn @RyanThorburn10m
Boyle said if Roberson leaves they will go after a specific transfer and if they don't get that player the scholarship will be used in 2014.
I hope that he is looking a multiple sources and does what is best for him. I really hope the day after the draft he is not a very dissappointed former Buffalo. This is what my gut tells me is going to happen though.
SCB
Well-Known Member
Really thinking more of the injury factor. But i agree that getting a degree and helping CU win the P-12 are worthy accomplishments. Personally, i would love to see him play one more year and graduate.
The only benefit would be that his body needs to get its "man growth" of filling out with more bulk and strength. There is a concern among NBA personnel people the things that Dre is elite at in college are things he won't be able to do in the NBA due to being overpowered. Rodman didn't enter the NBA until his mid-20s and didn't become a full-time starter until he was 29 or 30. Dre's timeline may require that his NBA dream is a few years off regardless of what decision he makes this year on the draft. If that's the case, he should stay in college. Maybe he goes through a body change in the next 12 months like we've seen with other guys and it vaults him into the 1st round next year.
As I recall, a player can insure against the injury factor. He can't insure against an NBA cut of a two-tool 2nd rounder or a UDFA, leading to bus rides out of Bakersfield or Canton, OH for $24K a year!
Andre needs a year to muscle up and work on his handles and his "O"; unless he really want to ride buses next year.
Buff_nc
Well-Known Member
Man, I gotta say I'm surprised how publicly vocal Boyle is being all of a sudden.
http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/...rson-misinformation-nba-says-boyle?source=rss
http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/...rson-misinformation-nba-says-boyle?source=rss
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
I think Tad is a bit irritated with Andre getting bad info and isn't shy about expressing his frustration.
Sounds like Tad believes he should stay, but dre and his family are leaning towards the NBA route. This is a tough decision and if I was in Andre's shoes I dont even know what I would do.