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Baylor Rape HQ - (major lawsuit settled)

skibum said:
I'm pretty much with you.

But I do sort of come back to C. What would you need to see from him in order to give him that chance?

I could actually see a path back; but I don't think he's capable of travelling that path (for starters he would have to really understand that the actions he took and decisions he made were terrible and wrong, and he's so far away from that first step that's it's silly to even talk about what steps 2-7 would/should be).

OTOH, I've been wrong about people's ability to undergo meaningful change before.
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Conditions of hiring Briles
1) disclosure of fact regarding his dealings with Ukuwauchu and Elliot, the accusers, and the Baylor compliance apparatus.

An AD should consider the facts. This means having transparency into what Briles did right and wrong. Where Briles acted inappropriately, what did he learn that would keep him from repeating those mistakes?

2) Post scandal PR
Did Brials cut a seven or eight figure check to NSRV and other community resources that address sexual assault awareness and victim support?

If Briles only points to the 13 page PH as what happened and does not make a material contribution towards education and prevention about sexual and domestic violence, then **** him.
 
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sackman said:
You could be right. Thing is, Briles isn't a young guy. He's 60 years old. If he wanted to coach in the college ranks again, he'd have to start as an OC for an obscure FCS school for a while, then gradually make his way back. That's a long process. He just got paid a boatload of money. He won't serve any jail time over this. He basically just hit the lottery. Unless he's one of those guys who is just driven to coach, I expect he will go find a quiet place to live out his retirement.
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Didn't know he was 60. That does lend a lot of credence to your theory.
 
Barnett never could make it back because any association with sexual assault is a non starter.

He's done unless he can prove no wrong doing and show he is not what he's been portrayed as. His settlement likely precludes that.

I doubt he settles unless Baylor tipped him off that they got enough to destroy him. Settle, keep your yap shut....

Fight it, and you will not like what we unveil.
 
buffaholic said:
Barnett never could make it back because any association with sexual assault is a non starter.

He's done unless he can prove no wrong doing and show he is not what he's been portrayed as. His settlement likely precludes that.

I doubt he settles unless Baylor tipped him off that they got enough to destroy him. Settle, keep your yap shut....

Fight it, and you will not like what we unveil.
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I think that went both ways:

**** Bailer: "you go after us, here's what we put out there."

Briles: "you go after me, here's what I put out there."

**** Bailer: "$X million, and we both agree to keep our mouths shut?"
 
skibum said:
I think that went both ways:
**** Bailer: "you go after us, here's what we put out there."
Briles: "you go after me, here's what I put out there."
**** Bailer: "$X million, and we both agree to keep our mouths shut?"
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Totally agree. I doubt it was just money and that was the point I was trying to make.

Baylor: "Hey Art, you don't want to go there. STFU, take your money and walk the **** Bailer line with us. Or you will look really bad claiming you are innocent here. Oh yeah, have your daughter STFU too, and we'll make sure her husband has a job in the future somewhere".

**** Bailer is looking at some really expensive settlements going forward. But that is chump change compared to what it could be if all the facts come out. Information Suppression is now an art form.
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
Unlike Briles who was more than happy to trade his character for cash.
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I suspect he was protecting his son and son-in-law, who are still employed on the coaching staff. I think maintaining that leverage on Art is the primary reason that Baylor didn't fire assistants. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been willing to play ball with keeping records sealed and the ongoing cover-up.
 
Buffnik said:
I suspect he was protecting his son and son-in-law, who are still employed on the coaching staff. I think maintaining that leverage on Art is the primary reason that Baylor didn't fire assistants. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been willing to play ball with keeping records sealed and the ongoing cover-up.
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This.

I actually didn't know his son and son in law were on that staff. I was wondering what kind of leverage bailer had in those negotiations. This makes a lot more sense now.
 
Gee, I hope they learned that valuable character lesson.
Buffnik said:
I suspect he was protecting his son and son-in-law, who are still employed on the coaching staff. I think maintaining that leverage on Art is the primary reason that Baylor didn't fire assistants. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been willing to play ball with keeping records sealed and the ongoing cover-up.
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Burrito Palazzo said:
Gee, I hope they learned that valuable character lesson.
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Meh. They're 40 year old men. No longer Art's job to parent them. However, looking at it from a personal level, I'd fall on my sword for tens of millions and retire my career to give my son & son-in-law a chance at continuing their careers.

What will be interesting to me will be to see if Art has gone forward with separating from Baylor with his legal counsel. Baylor wants a joint defense in these Title IX suits. Briles was separating and retaining his own counsel. I suspect that the other thing that got him to accept termination and a buyout was Baylor agreeing to fully indemnify him in any lawsuits.
 
Another Title IX lawsuit filed against Baylor on Friday. This one for sexual assault at a "rugby house".
 
From my end of the periscope, the Baylor strategy appears to be:

Buy silence.

To enable this strategy
1) $$$ - ensure (insure) that any wrong doing is kept private.

2) Assume that BU's capacity to settle and pay buy-outs is sufficient to cover private undisclosed settlements and contract terminations.

3) Assume that FERPA and private institution status provides sufficient legal coverage. All wrongdoing can be subject to NDAs under terms of settlement.

4) Eventually public pressure (from liberals) will blow over and leave BU alone.

5) BU is fully capable of dealing with BU business without intervention from outsiders.

6) BU is the victim of fake outrage that has been manufactured and blown out of proportion by misguided [evil] ESPN/B12 rivals/anti-Christian factions/gold digging cleat chasers

Risks:
1) Underestimate available funds to cover because the number of settlements and buy-outs exceed available funds.
2) Loose lips breaking NDAs
3) Media's ability to conduct credible investigations vs BU's ability to discredit victims and media reports.
4) Dept of Edu, Dept of Justice, State of Texas, NCAA, B12 Conf, upset BU alum have capacity and fortitude to engage.

Status:
1) Starr - still inside the tent on BU payroll
2) Briles - hushed with settlement
3) Victim of SU rape - hushed with settlement
4) Victims of TE rape - settlements under negotiaton
5) Title IX suits filed - TBD - assume sufficient funds to settle privately
6) NCAA/B12 intervention - nonissue at the moment
7) Title IX - largely uninforced & BU is in good company with other P5s
8) Sexual Assault/Domestic violence - nationwide issue. Worse elsewhere. BU's Christian culture still makes BU safer.
9) Impact on applicants/donor levels TBD.

Optics - BU's prioritization of silence over transparency means that 1) what's being covered up is really, really bad because BU has coughed up a minimum of $10M to keep this hushed. 2) what's being covered up is no big deal because Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon aren't making jokes about Baylor on late-night TV.
 
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Buffnik said:
Meh. They're 40 year old men. No longer Art's job to parent them. However, looking at it from a personal level, I'd fall on my sword for tens of millions and retire my career to give my son & son-in-law a chance at continuing their careers.

What will be interesting to me will be to see if Art has gone forward with separating from Baylor with his legal counsel. Baylor wants a joint defense in these Title IX suits. Briles was separating and retaining his own counsel. I suspect that the other thing that got him to accept termination and a buyout was Baylor agreeing to fully indemnify him in any lawsuits.
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Isn't' his job to parent but I was still learning a lot from my dad when he was 60, maybe more than earlier because I gained enough maturity to respect him more.
 
MtnBuff said:
Isn't' his job to parent but I was still learning a lot from my dad when he was 60, maybe more than earlier because I gained enough maturity to respect him more.
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I guess my kids haven't gained enough maturity yet. :cool:
 
Meanwhile ... in Nashville:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (Reuters) - A Tennessee jury found a former Vanderbilt University football player guilty on Saturday for the June 2013 rape of an unconscious female student in a case drawing national attention to sexual assaults on college campuses.

The trial of Brandon Vandenburg, 23, was heard by a jury brought in from Memphis, 200 miles (300 km) from the university in Nashville, because of concern that media coverage had made it hard to find impartial local jurors.

In a retrial after his first conviction was thrown out in a mistrial, Vandenburg was once again found guilty of five counts of aggravated rape, two counts of aggravated sexual battery and one count of unlawful photography.

Vandenburg showed no emotion when the verdicts were read, although he did exchange emotional hugs with his defense team before he was escorted to jail.

He faces 15 to 25 years in prison for each rape charge when sentenced in July.
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The article that 'Nik posted did not contain the money quote from the lawyer that was used by other sources (here's the OTL report on the incident):

"[Briles] used the threat of helping Jasmin in her lawsuit against Baylor as leverage to negotiate his wrongful termination claim against Baylor," Zalkin said. "He doesn't care about victims. He never cared about victims. He's using victims. He used them to help build up his football program, and now he's using Jasmin to leverage more money out of Baylor."
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What a despicable human being.
 
Third lawsuit filed:

Lawsuit: Baylor fostered 'hunting ground' for sexual assault

By JIM VERTUNO
Associated Press

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - A third federal lawsuit filed against Baylor University accuses the Waco, Texas-based school of creating a "hunting ground for sexual predators."

A former Baylor student identified as Jane Doe says in the lawsuit filed Monday that she was drugged and abducted from an off-campus residence dubbed "The Rugby House" in February 2015.

The lawsuit says when her family notified Baylor officials, they were told the school was aware of several reported assaults there, but investigators dropped all communication with the woman, who dropped out.

Baylor officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The other lawsuit say the school was indifferent to rape claims and didn't enforce federal gender discrimination protections. Former school president Ken Starr was demoted in May after a report found Baylor mishandled rape allegations for years.

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 
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