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Bias against CU

We have been mediocre to bad for a decade and a half. Of course the recruiting services are biased against us. Until we start consistently playing better than the recruiting rankings predict, why shouldnt they assume our recruits arent as good as CU fans want to think?
 
Duff Man said:
I guess I find CU fans complaining about rankings on a few players to be missing the point.

Recruit more elite players and it barely even registers as an issue.

Hell, there were plenty of fans firmly convinced that other schools waited to see if MM would offer a player before jumping in with an offer. Or that CU recruits just magically shut down all recruiting and never reported offers after committing. But somehow the issue is a bias against CU by recruiting services?
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I think this is off base at least a little bit. The "recruiting services" like 247, rivals and so forth are solely for fan benefit. I doubt there is one college coach in the country that follows those sites at all. But fans follow them. What fan base spends the most $$ on rivals sites or 247 sites, or any of the pay for recruiting info sites? I would be willing to bet the Alabama site draws double, if not more $$ than any of the PAC12 sites. So who will they pander to? Even if you just look at one guy. How does the Bama RB commit, who was fully scouted and ranked move up hundreds of positions?

I agree that we don't have enough 4* players in the recruiting pipeline here, but at some point it does become circular when every guy that commits to Bama ends up a 4* regardless of where he started.
 
sweaty teets said:
He’s saying he made very little impact on the field. He did not have a great senior season.

Let’s hope he puts it together at CU.
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Man I have some serious comprehension issues lol. That would make more sense as I didn’t follow his numbers, I can’t follow that many kids all the time. I was just pointing out the first guy I looked at and I did find it very odd.
 
brettden said:
I think this is off base at least a little bit. The "recruiting services" like 247, rivals and so forth are solely for fan benefit. I doubt there is one college coach in the country that follows those sites at all. But fans follow them. What fan base spends the most $$ on rivals sites or 247 sites, or any of the pay for recruiting info sites? I would be willing to bet the Alabama site draws double, if not more $$ than any of the PAC12 sites. So who will they pander to? Even if you just look at one guy. How does the Bama RB commit, who was fully scouted and ranked move up hundreds of positions?

I agree that we don't have enough 4* players in the recruiting pipeline here, but at some point it does become circular when every guy that commits to Bama ends up a 4* regardless of where he started.
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The coaches who do not pay attention are lying. Yeah, they will give a lot of coachspeak to the contrary, but coaches and schools pay attention. Hell, schools list rankings in bios. They know.

As far as the "Bama bump," it happens, but not nearly as much as portrayed. They offer all the players everyone else is, they just happen to land many of them. 4* players are pretty easy to spot.

Buffsrock85 said:
Man I have some serious comprehension issues lol. That would make more sense as I didn’t follow his numbers, I can’t follow that many kids all the time. I was just pointing out the first guy I looked at and I did find it very odd.
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He had about 100 yards receiving and one TD. Total.
 
Clean Undies said:
Classy non-answer on comparative bumps.
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I should have totally done your homework for you.

If you truly want me to do that work for you, I decline. You are welcome to do it yourself. Or not. I do not really care, but I am sure you are keeping score somewhere.
 
We have been to 1 bowl game in how many years? Why are we having this discussion? So we can feel better about being ****ty and have a better team in paper? We need to win games, conferences and bowls.

I'm tired of losing and one reason is because we have had collective medicore recruiting. Yes there have been guys that out played their ranking and that was good for 1 winning season since Barnett was here, let that sink in.
 
I believe stars matter, but I also believe team rankings should be more generalized. BUFFS were ranked 44, but class could be anywhere from 35 to 55. To consistently be a very good team, BUFFS need to consistently finish in top 20.
 
Duff Man said:
I should have totally done your homework for you.

If you truly want me to do that work for you, I decline. You are welcome to do it yourself. Or not. I do not really care, but I am sure you are keeping score somewhere.
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Jack Kiser got a nice 481 bump and a 5th star for going Irish. Not that you care.
 
Longhorn safety Tyler Owens is an example of a UT recruit jumping a ton of spots. Owens ended up as the No. 3 safety in 247Sports’ own rankings — No. 24 overall — and the No. 9 safety and 104th overall player on the Composite. Early in his recruitment, Owens was just inside the top 1,000 players nationwide. He was 956th in mid-May 2018.
 
Duff Man said:
You keep this up and we punish the whole board by making you the mod of this forum.
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I wouldn’t tell paid members to eat **** nor pretend to assume I know how much someone cares. That’s for sure.

Also my limited homework suggests CU recruits might not get juiced by recruitment services to the same degree as the blue bloods.

May not a bias against CU specifically, but not a bias for, either.
 
Clean Undies said:
I wouldn’t tell paid members to eat **** nor pretend to assume I know how much someone cares. That’s for sure.

Also my limited homework suggests CU recruits might not get juiced by recruitment services to the same degree as the blue bloods.

May not a bias against CU specifically, but not a bias for, either.
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Thanks for telling me what I care about while simultaneously being offended by me saying you do not care. Classic Skiddy wormhole.

Do what you want, I guess, but this smells like just another faux crusade led by you. Have fun.

If this comment is too harsh, dine on feces.
 
Clean Undies said:
Longhorn safety Tyler Owens is an example of a UT recruit jumping a ton of spots. Owens ended up as the No. 3 safety in 247Sports’ own rankings — No. 24 overall — and the No. 9 safety and 104th overall player on the Composite. Early in his recruitment, Owens was just inside the top 1,000 players nationwide. He was 956th in mid-May 2018.
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Who knows what’s happening here. But I agree, it’s funny to see. He commits to Texas and 4 days later he jumps 370 spots and hits 300. 5 days before he signs he jumps 90 and in December he jumps 90+ again over 2 weeks and finishes in the low 100’s lol. Maybe he’s just really good, we’ll find out!
 
FlatironsBuff said:
I just came for the sopapillas.
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Duff Man said:
Thanks for telling me what I care about while simultaneously being offended by me saying you do not care. Classic Skiddy wormhole.

Do what you want, I guess, but this smells like just another faux crusade led by you. Have fun.

If this comment is too harsh, dine on feces.
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Testy! The wormhole that opened is a result of your coprophagia spite posting.
 
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Duff Man said:
Far more CU commits have been upgraded than those who have been downgraded over the last several years.
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Ok, but upgraded from what? 2* to 3*? Yep, you're right that happens all the time. For the record, I don't think this is important enough to make an entire thread about, but the OP has a point. How often do you see, say, a 3* going to a 4* after their CU commit? Hardly ever.
 
1991 Orange Bowl said:
Ok, but upgraded from what? 2* to 3*? Yep, you're right that happens all the time. For the record, I don't think this is important enough to make an entire thread about, but the OP has a point. How often do you see, say, a 3* going to a 4* after their CU commit? Hardly ever.
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Which ones have "deserved" it though? Obviously, Shenault being downgraded from a 4* to a 3* looks stupid... but there is just not a lot for CU fans to point to as examples of egregious downgrading or failing to upgrade. A handful of prospects outperforming 3* rankings does not mean much in the aggregate. Just not seeing the "gotcha!" that many CU fans seem to see in rankings.

Do you think Reece Atteberry would drop like a rock in the rankings if he committed to CU tomorrow? I do not.

OTOH, Lee (which started this sidetrack) might actually rise in the rankings soon enough if he shows well at the Nike regional he is attending sometime in March.
 
Clean Undies said:
Testy! The wormhole that opened is a result of your coprophagia spite posting.
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So who said Allbuffs isn’t educational? I learned something extremely important today.....a new word that will score points at dinner parties. And the irony of Skidmark teaching me....

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This one actually took a weird turn. Usually these things are just self-flagellation, but this turned internecine warfare.
 
Go Buffs said:
So who said Allbuffs isn’t educational? I learned something extremely important today.....a new word that will score points at dinner parties. And the irony of Skidmark teaching me....

Coprophagia (/ˌkɒprəˈfeɪdʒiə/)[1] or coprophagy (/kəˈprɒfədʒi/) is the consumption of feces. The word is derived from the Greek κόπρος copros, "feces" and φαγεῖν phagein, "to eat". Coprophagy refers to many kinds of feces-eating, including eating feces of other species (heterospecifics), of other individuals (allocoprophagy), or one's own (autocoprophagy) – those once deposited or taken directly from the anus.[2]
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TMI!!
 
Think both sides are right here to a point however with a caveat :

The recruiting services, some that are part of a major network (espn) with media rights to certain conferences for football, have vested interest to show their product and primary business clients (southeast > west coast) in the best possible light that increases likelihood and platform for more success.

You’d have to be a real dullard to think it would ever work any different.
 
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