Seeing some of the comments about players who had a recruiting relationship with Ambrose at Boise have been pretty eye-opening. You can try to knock Boise as a "gimmick" school, but their evaluations are pretty impressive. They blanket the West.
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Boise State Football
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Seeing some of the comments about players who had a recruiting relationship with Ambrose at Boise have been pretty eye-opening. You can try to knock Boise as a "gimmick" school, but their evaluations are pretty impressive. They blanket the West.
Anyone who doesn't respect Boise after what's been a 20 year run of success after moving up to D1A in 1997 is an idot. They were a great 1AA program before that. It's simply a good football school that knows its business. Buff fans shouldn't need any more proof of this than the fact that its organizational infrastructure allowed the program to thrive with Dan Hawkins as its head coach. It is a tough place to fail and an easy place to succeed despite the lack of local talent to recruit.
Yeah. BUT they were able to parlay a lot of weak competition into achieving that success.
They played those teams over a 10 year span, if not longer.
Big difference between getting up for 2-3 quality games a year vs. playing a P5 schedule.
Have to give them credit though in that they have maximized the opportunities they have had. Can't argue with the record but I don't think they would have the same success in a P5 conference.
The have though been very good at identifying talent and developing it including a number of guys who were not highly recruited out of HS who went on to the NFL through Boise.
Yes. I guess I need to prune this.
I don't see how people can justify criticizing the Boise State schedule.
They play their peers in the G5 in a very solid G5 conference. They dominate those peer and that conference.
And they schedule as much P5 as they can. They play at least one Pac-12 team every year. When was the last time they lost one of those?
They play their peers in the G5 in a very solid G5 conference. They dominate those peer and that conference.
And they schedule as much P5 as they can. They play at least one Pac-12 team every year. When was the last time they lost one of those?
somebody
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Last year.
**** you. I mean seriously, **** you -- that was uncalled for.
You attend an FCS school and you're calling VT's 2010 team led by Tyrod Taylor (which went on to win the ACC, FFS) "weak competition"?!?!?! **** you and the Bison you rode in on. Jesus Fvcking H. Christ.
we need to take this elsewhere, what other gawddamn boards do you post on?
Pretty sure you missed Flounder's sarcasm font.....
ahoelsken
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One dumb question with Boise-do they have a separate TV deal with ESPN for their home games? All of 'em are on the four letter. As far as Talkins.....having a hall of famer who WILL win a championship or two before he leaves UW as his offensive coordinator make him look a lot smarter. The other thing with Boise is this-they're the Gonzaga of CFB. They're a huge fish in a small pond. They consistently win 8-11 games a year, and they can get home and homes with most p5 teams (Florida freaking State is doing one with them that involves one game in Boise for one game in......wait for it......Jacksonville). Michigan State is also doing a home and home with them. Bryan Harsin's worst season at Boise to this point was 9-4. Chris Peterson's worst was 8-5. Why move up? Is Boise a consistent bowl team (if for the sake of this discussion their academics were on par with the rest of our league) if they played in our league?
I forgot that Wazzu beat them last year. Remembered them beating Oregon in the bowl game.
yeah, you're right. OTOH, so did he. but OTOOH, even I should've picked that up. my bad. @FLounder, apologies if you were indeed being sarcastic.
They had a special deal within the MWC tv deal that paid them more than every other member of the conference and the MWC's tv deal didn't limit how much one team could be picked for the main broadcast slot. The unbalanced money is going away (it was a payoff to keep them from leaving for the Big East) and Boise State is not happy with things. They feel that all the late start times are killing attendance. They'd love to move up and would probably do very well. Program's at least as good as Utah's was when they moved up.
@ Oklahoma State in September.
I give them credit for scheduling a legit team every once in a while.
Wait though..since you thought his post was serious about VT being weak competition, does this mean you believe the other schools he listed with VT (Oregon and Oklahoma) are weak competition?
Oregon 2017? well, mediocre anyway.Wait though..since you thought his post was serious about VT being weak competition, does this mean you believe the other schools he listed with VT (Oregon and Oklahoma) are weak competition?
The Okie game was a meaningless bowl game.
ahoelsken
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I wouldn't have a problem with them in our conference IF their academics were better and if New Mexico came with them.
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what problem would that be?
Boise State has to find guys that P5 guys pass on. They do an incredible job of evaluation.
However, I do believe it's slipped a bit under Harsin and we are starting to see just a small crack in the armor. They don't seem nearly as good on D as they used to be under Petersen. Something to watch IMO.
However, I do believe it's slipped a bit under Harsin and we are starting to see just a small crack in the armor. They don't seem nearly as good on D as they used to be under Petersen. Something to watch IMO.
ahoelsken
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Grammar error in that post-I meant wouldn't. Corrected.
i was just giving you shjt
Why do you care about their academics? Aren't we seeing far too much evidence that suggests if the Pac 12 continues to care about meaningless **** like that, we're getting left behind (already are getting left behind). I'm not advocating to BSU to join the Pac, but they are the only G5 program out west that would even remotely move the needle for the conference, aside from BYU.
yeah, academics are meaningless when discussing collegiate associations!
you might've over-stated your position just a bit there
When it comes to football/basketball affiliation, why do we care?
There are certain reasons to care But, the academic side with athletes is just a bonus to me. If they can do both, that's awesome. It's definitely important to do both but one side isn't why I turn on the tv. James Caan said it way better than I just did.
Because the people ultimately in charge of the football/basketball programs care more about academic than athletic rankings (at least in the Pac.) Yes, even ASU.