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Butch Jones
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NYbuffDIEHARD
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While I don't want the search expanded to non head coaches. I am very nervous about this hire, should it happen. I just can't get past the fact that the big east is garbage. We are paying a lot of cash to this guy. I'm just nervous. I hope to god I am wrong.
I'm sold. If CU can get this guy, it would be tremendous.
For the last seven years we haven't had an identity. How many times have we gone from a spread, to a no huddle, to a power running game, to a hurry up running game, to a huddle, to a run-run-pass-punt script. This would be a great hire.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/04/27/cincinnati-butch/
For the last seven years we haven't had an identity. How many times have we gone from a spread, to a no huddle, to a power running game, to a hurry up running game, to a huddle, to a run-run-pass-punt script. This would be a great hire.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/04/27/cincinnati-butch/
Sounds like you would not happy with any hire unless it is Urban Meyer, Mike Shanahan or Bill Cowher.
bigbang2
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I would be fine with coordinator Diaco as well. But here is the argument for Jones over Diaco. Both coaches branch from the Brian Kelley coaching tree. Kelley is traditionally a defensive coach having been hired initially as a defensive back and defensive coordinator at Grand Valley State prior to becoming the HC and then moving on to Central Michigan. Now Jones branches from the offensive branch and Diaco from the defensive branch at CMU. Diaco has followed Kelley's success from CMU, Cincy and ND. Jones on the other hand after being Kelley's OC at CMU went to WVU to work with Rich Rod and Pat White. Following WVU Jones returned to CMU and maintained the standard Kelley had set and coached a pretty good QB in Dan LeFevour (set the all-time TD record until Keenum). Then Jones moved to Cincy and coached two more pretty good QBs in Pike and Collaros. Overall it is unfair to compare Diaco and Jones but Jones has been the more dynamic of the two. Experience is something that cannot be taught and that is a lesson we must take from the Embree era. Jones has a resume that shows he can be responsible with the head role of a college football program, where as Diaco would be an unknown.
BartonBuff
New Member
Diaco is likely to be named the Boston College head coach. Also Diaco is a major risk as the guy is described not only as very hyper (which can be a worry for a head coach) but is a major odd duck apparently. He fits a profile of a defensive coordinator. None the less it seems really only Boston College (another Catholic school) was the only school desperate to go after him.
CUwhit21
Club Member
I don't know about Diaco. He's a young and obviously bright coordinator. But, is he head coach material? He won't be able to hide from the media once things get tough. After we got rid of the unrealistic options, I put Charlie Strong as my #1. Now that Strong's out, I'll cautiously put my support behind Butch.
But, why Diaco?
He is also the type of coach you’d never expect from someone that looks like Don Draper’s doppelganger. Diaco is a passionate coach, he runs a meeting room like a reverend from his pulpit, and the messages he relays aren’t just about the Xs and Os of football, but on lessons that his players will take with them throughout life.
After an overly candid interview with media after Notre Dame’s dispiriting loss to Navy, Diaco came off sounding like a coach that lacked answers — a very bad thing to sound like, especially at Notre Dame. From that point forward, Brian Kelly kept his coordinators off limits to the media, under the auspices that it’d help the do their job.It apparently worked.
“We’ll just be going to 11 on 11,” Fleming said before the Sun Bowl, “and then he’ll just bring up some kind of story that he feels relates to the topic. But we don’t. So we’ll just go along with it. Just like ‘yeah, yeah, that’s really good coach.’
“I mean, he’ll talk about turtles. He’ll talk about scorpions. I think he might have read a lot of books when he was younger or something like that. But he’s always got a story for something.”
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/the-zen-of-diaco/
He's been a coordinator for 4 years:
His defenses ranking in Total Defense:
2009 - 67th
2010 - 50th
2011 - 30th
2012 - 6th
Notre Dame's defense is great this year. What else do you like about him? Compare this to Charlie Strong's defenses at Louisville:
2010 - 14th
2011 - 23rd
2012 - 25th
The timing of a coaching search is very hit or miss. I think Colorado has actually looked at numerous guys and interviewed at least 1 other in Bronco. I think they have also contacted Gary Anderson and Charlie Strong. When you have a very specific criteria for the next head coach, not everybody is going to fit the bill.
All hires come with risk. This one is no different (assuming it happens)--it may or may not work out.
However, Bohn (presumably) hired a coach that has had success in an AQ conference. Yes, it's the Big East, and yes he followed Kelly. But seriously, people. Seriously?
There is no way we were going to get a coach with better pedigree than we did. We paid the right amount (whether he succeeds or fails, we can only pay based on what we know in the moment), and also, you ****ers should be jumping up and down and farting rubber nickels over what we're speculating to be our assistant coach salary.
To those who would rather have Diaco: What the **** has Diaco done as a head coach? Can't have it both ways.
And to you ****ers that are talking about wins and losses for next season. Who are we, CSU? Relax. Even at 2.75 million, we need not worry about wins and losses the first season. But we'd better see a much better football team for our investment. Then you guys can go all crazy with speculation for his second season.
However, Bohn (presumably) hired a coach that has had success in an AQ conference. Yes, it's the Big East, and yes he followed Kelly. But seriously, people. Seriously?
There is no way we were going to get a coach with better pedigree than we did. We paid the right amount (whether he succeeds or fails, we can only pay based on what we know in the moment), and also, you ****ers should be jumping up and down and farting rubber nickels over what we're speculating to be our assistant coach salary.
To those who would rather have Diaco: What the **** has Diaco done as a head coach? Can't have it both ways.
And to you ****ers that are talking about wins and losses for next season. Who are we, CSU? Relax. Even at 2.75 million, we need not worry about wins and losses the first season. But we'd better see a much better football team for our investment. Then you guys can go all crazy with speculation for his second season.
ScottyBuff
Well-Known Member
There are really three HC candidates from the "Brian Kelly coaching tree": Butch Jones, Bob Diaco, and Chuck Martin
-Butch Jones has expanded beyond just Brian Kelly's style (as was perfectly noted by CUWhit21), has proven he can be successful as a HC over multiple years and with multiple teams.
-Bob Diaco (current Notre Dame Defensive Coordinator/assistant Head Coach) has a great defense this year at Notre Dame with a coaching staff loaded with defensive minds, he has no proof that he can be a successful HC (it looks like he'll get his fair shot this year, but it is a bigger gamble).
-Chuck Martin (current ND OC/QB/Recruiting Coordinator) has a background as a defensive coach but made the switch to OC/QB coach this season and has managed to turn what was their biggest weakness into an effective offensive unit.
Of the three Butch Jones is the most ready to take over a big-time program, but I think Chuck Martin will be the best HC out of them all. I've followed him for several years and I wouldn't be surprised if Cincy offered him the HC job to replace Butch Jones (it would be a smart move on their part), but he might have to take a MAC job for his first HC position in D-1. Diaco just seems to fit that same M.O. of "hot coordinator" that goes bad because they aren't HC material, but are great coordinators.
-Butch Jones has expanded beyond just Brian Kelly's style (as was perfectly noted by CUWhit21), has proven he can be successful as a HC over multiple years and with multiple teams.
-Bob Diaco (current Notre Dame Defensive Coordinator/assistant Head Coach) has a great defense this year at Notre Dame with a coaching staff loaded with defensive minds, he has no proof that he can be a successful HC (it looks like he'll get his fair shot this year, but it is a bigger gamble).
-Chuck Martin (current ND OC/QB/Recruiting Coordinator) has a background as a defensive coach but made the switch to OC/QB coach this season and has managed to turn what was their biggest weakness into an effective offensive unit.
Of the three Butch Jones is the most ready to take over a big-time program, but I think Chuck Martin will be the best HC out of them all. I've followed him for several years and I wouldn't be surprised if Cincy offered him the HC job to replace Butch Jones (it would be a smart move on their part), but he might have to take a MAC job for his first HC position in D-1. Diaco just seems to fit that same M.O. of "hot coordinator" that goes bad because they aren't HC material, but are great coordinators.
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So you'd be willing to throw this recruiting season away and go to an even bigger gamble with someone who has never been an HC? To me, Jones fits the ideal that the University of Colorado seems to have. A guy who is a great motivator with a high priority on academics. From all I can see right now, he is the best choice out there and probably the smallest gamble.
I think that is fair - if only because I expect him to get better QB play (significantly), one way or another.
So, at this point (7:28 Mountain Time), I learn the following from Twitter.
UCin made a big counter-offer to CU's offer of yesterday. Per the Twits, Butch is now "conflicted." Another Tweet says that Butch used the whole CU/Perdue thing to leverage UCin to bump up his contract there, and that he never had real interest.
As of yet, no team meeting has been scheduled prior to his 11 am (Mountain Time) press conference with UCin to discuss their bowl game.
Butch may be trying to drum up business from the SEC.
Were I a betting man (and I'm not), I would go with Stays at UCin (-4).
UCin made a big counter-offer to CU's offer of yesterday. Per the Twits, Butch is now "conflicted." Another Tweet says that Butch used the whole CU/Perdue thing to leverage UCin to bump up his contract there, and that he never had real interest.
As of yet, no team meeting has been scheduled prior to his 11 am (Mountain Time) press conference with UCin to discuss their bowl game.
Butch may be trying to drum up business from the SEC.
Were I a betting man (and I'm not), I would go with Stays at UCin (-4).
CU's in a position that they pretty much have to overpay by at least a little bit.
If he's the right coach, the extra half million we pay is chump change.
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At one time Coach Mac was the highest paid coach in college football, so I think the "highest paid coach in program history" requires and asterick saying "but middle of the Pac in contemporary coaching dollars".
Also, regarding wins and losses. I'll stand by my previous point: Our team was so bad this year, a coach could show incredible improvement ($2.75 million in improvements) that would not necessarily result in wins just yet. We were that bad.
That's a lot of halves.
It's addition, dummy. How did you idots even put a man on the moon?
Orr thinks word problems are things strippers say to him.
Word!
And do away with a tradition started by Mac???? HERESEY I say!