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LIVE! BYU Game thread. Official.

As I posted last night, when we went into wildcat in the 2nd half BYU brought 8 in the box within 5 yards. A hesi run fake and pass by Miller was an easy 6. We're not that smart or creative though.
Thats a read the QB should make. Even Bear was making those reads constantly for BYU
 
Its not even close. Those guys do the right thing 7 out of 10 times. The LBs are generally messing up 6 out of 10 times. You can't win like that. Last year LB was doing the right thing around 7.5 out of 10 times. Not great but a lot better than right now
They never turn their heads to find the ball, they are constantly missing tackles... more often than not being confused on coverage alignments presnap and bicker constantly about blown coverages after that
 
Outlier. Lane's among the best and most experienced coaches in the biz, he's a college offense guru, and he's wired mentally to do well in this era. Cignetti is similar. Prime needs to model Saban and find a college OC guru to build and run his offensive system.
Nik, you are on a roll!
Prime MUST have an OC that is fully in control of the kids development and has a brilliant scheme! Florida State and Nebraska have older former HC’s with OC success running the show and it helps a ton vs Shurmur who never appears to actually be close to his players and calls **** games. Find that brilliant OC/former HC guy and give him $1.5M to just run the offense for Juju
 
They never turn their heads to find the ball, they are constantly missing tackles... more often than not being confused on coverage alignments presnap and bicker constantly about blown coverages after that
Thats not true. You are overly focused on the negative plays and not the positive ones which are the majority. They screw up too much but it's not anywhere as much as you think they have
 
Kiffin makes 9M. Primes at 10M with increases on the way.

These aren’t 10M coach results. Blame “the map” or whatever you want. We could spend significantly less and get similar results. Is this team any better than a Macintyre poverty team?
 
I'll say worse than OK State level. OK State recruiting map is solid. Just since T Boone died, the money well is gone. You lose Prime, you lose the economy of Prime. How do you replace that
Dude, we have been losing like this for well over 20 years....we had one season of hail Mary's, and last second wins.
2/3 seasons later and we are doing what we have always done. Lose. Who cares if we were (in the game). We need to start winning some of these. We should beat yhe teams we are supposed to and knock off a game we aren't suppose to win occasionally.
 
You can't look at attempts when we had a lot of 3 and outs. That limits attempts and BYU wasn't really allowing runs in the 2nd half and our runs weren't really going anywhere.

The last part is on Salt like it was on Staub. They weren't comfortable taking deep shots. Didn't trust their accuracy against these corners. Sucks but our vet QBs aren't good.
You can look at attempts because that directly points to the basura play calling.
 
This is where Prime is supposed to be our X factor.

He is responsible for bringing the Louis luggage and is getting paid to do that.

This is on him.

I get that he’s been dealing with a health crisis, but I really want to see him taking the steps needed to fix this.
Think of it like your own career. You have opportunities at a lot of good organizations that are trying to recruit you. Let's say one of the companies has a CEO/ Owner who you admire & respect. You're going to consider that company, check it out, and you're going to choose to go there if it is what you hoped to see and you like the role they see you in -- unless another option you also liked offers you 50% more money.

Within 10 or maybe even 20% on bag size, Prime's going to win the recruiting battle more often than not for guys who wouldn't have even looked at CU if Prime wasn't here. And that's why he's worth so much as the CU coach.
 
With a different OC and a different QB this team is 4-1. You can't convince me otherwise.

The crazy thing is there were a plethora of OCs and QBs that would've killed to come here in the offseason, yet we stuck with Shurmur and got fixated on Salter without even vetting him properly. You reap what you sow.
 
With a different OC and a different QB this team is 4-1. You can't convince me otherwise.

The crazy thing is there were a plethora of OCs and QBs that would've killed to come here in the offseason, yet we stuck with Shurmur and got fixated on Salter without even vetting him properly. You reap what you sow.
Prime's blind spot is loyalty and trust on football for guys he has loyalty and trust on a personal level. Not just coaches, but with players and their families.
 
With a different OC and a different QB this team is 4-1. You can't convince me otherwise.

The crazy thing is there were a plethora of OCs and QBs that would've killed to come here in the offseason, yet we stuck with Shurmur and got fixated on Salter without even vetting him properly. You reap what you sow.
I thought Prime had this whole thing about who to recruit for QB’s? Salter was an interesting choice coming off Shedeur. Opposite QBs. At this point, there’s nothing to lose but JuJu. Let’s just throw him out there, let him go through 17/18 yr old freshman hard knocks, and prep for next year coming off a 3-5 win season of rebuilding. Focus all your press conferences on the rebuilding Journey. Otherwise we won’t know what we have with JuJu and will need to spend money on another qb in case.
 
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I thought Prime had this whole thing about who to recruit for QB’s? Salted was an interesting choice coming off Shedeur. Opposite QBs. At this point, there’s nothing to lose but JuJu. Let’s just throw him out there, let him go through 17/18 yr old freshman hard knocks, and prep for next year coming off a 3-5 win season of rebuilding. Focus all your press conferences on the rebuilding Journey.
Salter will play in Ft. Worth. It won't be pretty. If we're 2-4 coming back to face arguably the best team in the conference, you have to switch to Juju. At that point we're not winning 4 of our final 6 with our schedule, so a bowl is off the books. Let him get his first start at home then get a solid two weeks of practice with the 1s before heading to Utah and finishing out the season with some valuable experience.
 
With a different OC and a different QB this team is 4-1. You can't convince me otherwise.

The crazy thing is there were a plethora of OCs and QBs that would've killed to come here in the offseason, yet we stuck with Shurmur and got fixated on Salter without even vetting him properly. You reap what you sow.
Prime’s biggest misfire this past offseason, besides not changing out Shumur and a few other coaches, was not having a QB in the pipeline after Shedeur left. Juju is a year too early so we had to go into the portal and we settled for KS. He was probably the best we could on what is essentially a 1 year rental. He’s not what the staff thought he was. His poor performance is him doing his best but simply not being good enough. This falls on the staff that recruited him. Prime is quickly learning, no QB, no success. Prime is learning as well, his plan A is falling short but then again, life is about plan B.
 
You can't look at attempts when we had a lot of 3 and outs. That limits attempts and BYU wasn't really allowing runs in the 2nd half and our runs weren't really going anywhere.

The last part is on Salt like it was on Staub. They weren't comfortable taking deep shots. Didn't trust their accuracy against these corners. Sucks but our vet QBs aren't good.
I'm the second half the 7 RB carries went for 30 yards; 4.3 yards per carry is perfectly fine. These numbers also aren't really skewed by one big gain.

This staff abandons the run the first time they only pick up 2 yards, then put themselves in holes with QB sacks and incompletions.

If they gave up on the pass when "it wasn't working" as easy as they give up on the run, this offense would look like a service academy's.
 
I think a big part of the problem is that when you go so heavy on transfers it's harder to develop leadership. With an offseason which Prime wasn't able to have much presence or participation, the problem was exacerbated.
We’re transitioning into a more efficient prep recruiting operation. You have to recruit the portal. It is clear that Prime’s absence this offseason is having a major impact.
 
I'm the second half the 7 RB carries went for 30 yards; 4.3 yards per carry is perfectly fine. These numbers also aren't really skewed by one big gain.

This staff abandons the run the first time they only pick up 2 yards, then put themselves in holes with QB sacks and incompletions.

If they gave up on the pass when "it wasn't working" as easy as they give up on the run, this offense would look like a service academy's.
Sometimes I think where coordinators screw up is that they act like they're playing chess or a video game. "The other team made an adjustment and now their personnel & fits are set up to stop what we were having success doing. That opens up something else, so I'm going to exploit the weakness they exposed." That sounds fine, but it's wrong in actual sports competition. Good coordinators don't change what they're doing based on the opponent's adjustments - unless and those adjustments actually stop you. You have to have an identity and impose your will. Dominant football comes from "this is what we're doing and there's nothing you are able to do to stop it." Nothing better than a defense putting 8 or 9 in the box with spies and run blitzes - and you still gain 4+ per carry. College teams almost never have enough football IQ and experience to take what the defense gives and efficiently execute whatever the perfect counter move would be. That's what good NFL offenses can do.

I've become very negative towards college OCs who define their approach as "balanced and multiple". Case in point - even if Livingston had decided to run goal line defense all game last night, BYU would not have come out in 4-wide or empty the rest of the game as an adjustment. They have an identity and adjust within that identity.
 
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Prime’s biggest misfire this past offseason, besides not changing out Shumur and a few other coaches, was not having a QB in the pipeline after Shedeur left. Juju is a year too early so we had to go into the portal and we settled for KS. He was probably the best we could on what is essentially a 1 year rental. He’s not what the staff thought he was. His poor performance is him doing his best but simply not being good enough. This falls on the staff that recruited him. Prime is quickly learning, no QB, no success. Prime is learning as well, his plan A is falling short but then again, life is about plan B.
You mean Plan 9
plan 9 from outer space trivia GIF by Maudit
 
Sometimes I think where coordinators screw up is that they act like they're playing chess or a video game. "The other team made an adjustment and now their personnel & fits are set up to stop what we were having success doing. That open up something else, so I'm going to exploit the weakness they exposed." That sounds fine, but it's wrong in actual sports competition. Good coordinators don't change what they're doing based on the opponent's adjustments - unless and those adjustments actually stop you. You have to have an identity and impose your will. Dominant football comes from "this is what we're doing and there's nothing you are able to do to stop it." Nothing better than a defense putting 8 or 9 in the box with spies and run blitzes - and you still gain 4+ per carry. College teams almost never have enough football IQ and experience to take what the defense gives and efficiently execute whatever the perfect counter move would be. That's what good NFL offenses can do.

I've become very negative towards college OCs who define their approach as "balanced and multiple". Case in point - even if Livingston had decided to run goal line defense all game last night, BYU would not have come out in 4-wide or empty the rest of the game as an adjustment. They have an identity and adjust within that identity.
I would guess that this philosophy is about 70% correct. Maybe 65%.
 
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