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Can Tad get this thing turned around?

sackman

sackman

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This team is underperforming. No two ways about it. Five losses in the OOC is about four more than I expected. The team looks listless and confused. Like it doesn't know what it wants to do when it steps out on the court. This is the first real challenge Tad has faced since he got here. It seems as though his team is not doing what it's being coached to do.

Josh Scott is the biggest enigma of all. No freaking clue what is going on inside his head right now. He spends an inordinate amount of time at the the top of the key for a center. He has regressed significantly, and that's a huge concern for me.

Can Tad get this turned around?
 
This season?

Probably not, but he has gotten teams that looked NIT-bound turned around before.
 
Buffnik said:
This season?

Probably not, but he has gotten teams that looked NIT-bound turned around before.
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Is it the Sophomores? It seems to me like they just aren't taking that 2nd year leap that we expected. Here we are, nearly a year after losing the Mayor, and it's like they still need him around. No reason for that.

At this point, the NIT sounds like a pipe dream to me. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic.
 
sackman said:
Is it the Sophomores? It seems to me like they just aren't taking that 2nd year leap that we expected. Here we are, nearly a year after losing the Mayor, and it's like they still need him around. No reason for that.

At this point, the NIT sounds like a pipe dream to me. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic.
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Right now, they're not worthy of the NIT. CU hasn't beaten anyone with a pulse this season.
 
I think we can make the NIT, but we definitely need some more sophs to play better.

Also, Boyle needs to re-evaluate his assistant coaches after this disappointing season, and he MUST decided to bring in a offensive specialist that specializes in X&Os.

That's Boyle's weakness, and we need someone that can help him there. We can definitely improve on offense and passing the ball. We shouldn't be nearly as bad as we are now. I blame every loss on our offensive system or lack thereof. Our defense has kept us in every game, but we shouldn't be losing games where we give up 53 points to GW, 62 points at home to CSU, etc. That's the main issue I see right now.
 
He won't turn it around in time to make the tournament. But I can see him turning around the quality of play by the end of the year. Hey, maybe we make a run in the Pac 12 tourney!
 
Tough pieces at guard. Collier needs time, likely a nice player in 2 years. Ski miscast as a true point.

Hop is the one I want to bust through at some point. Our Transfer would be a great fit for this team....

Just a a tough cast at present per the guard equation, and not sure what can be done honestly.
 
This is not a shot at anyone who plays for the Buffs, everybody has their individual strengths and weaknesses and contributes in different ways.

I don't see a big likelyhood that this team is going to make some kind of amazing turnaround this season because I see a lack of active leaders on the floor. We don't have anyone who makes the right decisions at the right times, who holds people responsible, who takes charge (which doesn't always mean taking the shot) and sets the tone.

Dom could eventually be that guy, potentially one of the other young guys could step up and develop some of this as well. It is something that can be developed but it normally doesn't happen instantly. It is also something that can't be effected from the bench, it has to be a guy or guys who are playing and performing with the respect of their teammates.

What I do know is that our best players right now aren't this kind of leader. Again that's not an insult, lots of great players are guys who play their role, do their thing, and go with the flow. It doesn't seem however to be in their nature to step up and influence others in the way we need.
 
As I had hoped, Tad lit into his players a bit in today's Camera. Ski got in a few shots, too, but he's a big part of the problem too, despite his scoring of late.

"It's easy when things are going good," Boyle said. "We have a breakdown, though, and we have guys that are mentally weak and can't handle making mistakes and holding themselves accountable; or if their teammates try to hold them accountable, they have trouble with that."

"We have to get together on this team," Booker said. "Some people are out of it; some people need to get in and get their heads right."
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http://www.buffzone.com/ci_27210607/cu-mens-basketball-buffs-mired-mediocrity-pac-12
 
jcatcher said:
As I had hoped, Tad lit into his players a bit in today's Camera. Ski got in a few shots, too, but he's a big part of the problem too, despite his scoring of late.



http://www.buffzone.com/ci_27210607/cu-mens-basketball-buffs-mired-mediocrity-pac-12
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So somebody, probably Scott, has gotten on some other players and they didn't like it?

XJ in-bounding is like Sefo dropping back to pass. Before yesterday, he had at least 5 or 6 where he threw it to the other team. That 'bloop' in-bounds pass was ridiculous
 
I don't see a big turnaround this season. And I don't think it's a mental issue or a leadership issue or a decision making issue. Sure, we could get better at all those and they may get us over the hump in a couple games. But we simply lack offensive playmakers, guys who can create for themselves and their teammates and force defenses to focus on them. Tad could make a big leap forward with his half court scheme, but if we still have Jhop, Talton, DT, Fletch, Gordon, Eli etc trying to execute it, we're in trouble. I simply don't see offensive playmaking skills in anyone except Ski, Josh and XJ. And those 3 can be plenty frustrating themselves.
 
cu2x said:
So somebody, probably Scott, has gotten on some other players and they didn't like it?

XJ in-bounding is like Sefo dropping back to pass. Before yesterday, he had at least 5 or 6 where he threw it to the other team. That 'bloop' in-bounds pass was ridiculous
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The crap in-bounds plays are squarely on the coaches. They've been ridiculous for years. It shouldn't be too hard to set some picks and get someone open.
 
No. This team doesn't give a damn about one another. The selfish play and pouting is tiresome. It is like watching a team full of Jay Cutlers. Maybe Tad gets it turned around next year with some roster changes. This year could get real ugly.
 
He can get the team playing better, and being better prepared for 2015. He can make sure something like this never happens again. But as far as making the NCAA's this season, that is over with.

It's all about player development and gaining a team identity
 
rolandftw said:
He can get the team playing better, and being better prepared for 2015. He can make sure something like this never happens again. But as far as making the NCAA's this season, that is over with.

It's all about player development and gaining a team identity
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Tad has made huge upgrades in the talent level of the program, now he has to upgrade the mental level.

I wonder if a couple of players are encouraged to move on at the end of the season, make room for a couple guys who are willing to do it Tad's way.
 
MtnBuff said:
Tad has made huge upgrades in the talent level of the program, now he has to upgrade the mental level.

I wonder if a couple of players are encouraged to move on at the end of the season, make room for a couple guys who are willing to do it Tad's way.
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Absolutely. There might be some tough decisions that Tad will have to decide whether keeping a talented player on the team, that isn't necessarily all in on what he is coaching. Tad often says that nobody is above the Colorado basketball program. Easy to say, but harder to follow.

Everybody makes mistakes, but if you aren't committed 100% to what Tad is doing, and if you see playing college basketball as a right, and not an honor, then there probably needs to be changes made.
 
After a year like this new blood will inevitably be needed and it will occur. We need a couple guys to move along and find ourselves some fresh faces, seems it may be best for both parties.
 
CVilleBuff said:
After a year like this new blood will inevitably be needed and it will occur. We need a couple guys to move along and find ourselves some fresh faces, seems it may be best for both parties.
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Often times those guys who aren't highly invested in the team aren't that highly invested in the school either. They usually aren't overly upset when it is suggested that they might be happier elsewhere, especially since they don't figure into the plans of their current team.

It is way easier to keep and coach a guy like Ben Mills who gives you everything he has, even if it never develops like you had hoped it would, than somebody who has the talent but isn't willing to make use of it due to lack of interest or motivation.
 
I still think Tad believes in these guys and I don't anticipate him suggesting anyone transfer out of the program or leave the team for basketball reasons. If anyone does leave the team it would be possibly to transfer for more PT.

Honestly, I'm expecting big things from this team next year I still think the future can be bright and there are some legitimate pieces here that you can build a tournament team around.
 
Do you think Tad surrounds himself with the right assistant coaches to be a consistent pac 12 contender? Is part of the mental aspect of this all related to the staff? Tad seems like a pretty awesome, positive guy. But he can't be the only one to address the mental issues?

We are upgrading our D coordinator in football. Just makes me wonder if Tad needs some new energy on his staff too?

Buffaloup said:
I still think Tad believes in these guys and I don't anticipate him suggesting anyone transfer out of the program or leave the team for basketball reasons. If anyone does leave the team it would be possibly to transfer for more PT.

Honestly, I'm expecting big things from this team next year I still think the future can be bright and there are some legitimate pieces here that you can build a tournament team around.
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Watched the games played in Hawaii. This team is not in sync with each other on the court. Until that happens, they will not win.
 
You're right. Definitely out of synch. The team lacks a leader. Seems like none of the sophomores want to step up and assert themselves. And Askia is a great Buff but I've hear he is quiet and not very vocal. In our other sports, we've had a great team leader- in football Sefo inspires the team. In volleyball, you've got taylor simpson who transformed the team. And in womens basketball, Jen Reese and Lexy Kresl both lead.

who can lead the team in mens basketball? Dom could be that guy.....next year? And may Fortune??

buffgal said:
Watched the games played in Hawaii. This team is not in sync with each other on the court.
Until that happens, they will not win.
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cu2x said:
So somebody, probably Scott, has gotten on some other players and they didn't like it?

XJ in-bounding is like Sefo dropping back to pass. Before yesterday, he had at least 5 or 6 where he threw it to the other team. That 'bloop' in-bounds pass was ridiculous
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If it's Scott getting on other players, he doesn't have much room to criticize. He's been awful this year.


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I don't think it's just Tad who needs to turn things around, players as well. I won't name names but I think y'all have a pretty good idea who I mean.
 
Great points all around.

For Tad:
1. MUST improve the half court offense. It's asinine on so many levels. This will mean a change in the assistant coach position.

For Recruiting:
1. We missed on the entire sophomore class. Must have some attrition there. Bizarre decision to redshirt King, thereby slowing his departure by one year.
2. MUST hit on Fortune.

For Development:
1. Talton has fallen off the earth. For a guy that is CU's best shooter, where has he been?
2. Fletcher, again, is no where to be found.
3. Dustin Thomas what happened?
4. Good news is Scott stays for senior year

NIT this year. Biggest question mark is if Fortune is a big 'hit' and if Tad can lure a top50 recruit to play instantly.
 
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