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Can Tad get this thing turned around?
- Thread starter sackman
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They will be marginal role players but at a budding program with no history like Colorado, there's no room for error. Every miss is a devastating miss.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Always a chance someone breaks out as an upperclassman, it happens. But by and large it seems we whiffed big time and it's killing us.
They have two years left to progress, it's too early.
You can't just repeat the same mantra with no justification. I'm telling you it's, as CVille attests, 'a big whiff.' It is a correct assessment and WILL be verified in time.
Dustin and Hopkins have both improved since last year. Why is Talton getting no blame here? He's an upperclassmen who has done nothing this year in games against a team with a pulse.
Umm, no. This class is done. They have shown us zero for two years and there are zero signs that's going to ever change. DT is the only Soph that actually might be better than mediocre some day.
Hopkins is the same player as last year. The SAME.
I think Tad is a smart man. There is a formula here. I think he needs some better assistants to help develop these guys. We all agree that the mentality is not there. That could be due to some lazy players or players that didn't love up to expectations. But I'm also guessing there is a coaching issue from the assistants.
Tad ad will need to make hard decisions just like HCMM had to do with Baer. Something isn't working. Tad will need to fix it, if we plan to get out of this mess.
Tad ad will need to make hard decisions just like HCMM had to do with Baer. Something isn't working. Tad will need to fix it, if we plan to get out of this mess.
No he's not
Tini is right, Hopkins is:
Playing slightly more
Shooting slightly less
Shooting much more effectively
Taking better shots
Passing the ball more effectively
The only places he hasn't improved are in:
TOs
FT shooting.
Fletcher has been roughly the same player he was last year which considering the injury isnt that big of a surprise, his performances have also been really streaky, he's either very good, or very bad, with very little in the middle.
Considering Hopkins' somewhat ballyhooed recruitment, being microscopically better is just not enough. Coupled with the aggregate problems amongst Talton, Eli, Thomas, Fletcher, the Detroit kid and King, there are too many misses for our paper-thin program to sustain.
6 misses in the lower ranks and you get what we currently see. The Booker, Johnson and Scott show with no help.
If he's our best chance, then I don't see it. His play last year was the least desirable out of the four. Which begs the question, is Tad ruthless enough to succeed at the high ranks of college basketball? Letting kids eat scholarships long past any their shelf life does not breed success ... attrition is a very valuable tool.
Great guys, decent tools, but if Stalzer and King cannot put Colorado to the next level, then you have to reload those scholarships. Just saying.
seattlebuff
Well-Known Member
Completely agree with this post. Even with all the mistakes DT makes, at least he looks to create on the offensive end. I see very little of that from Hopkins. He's good on the break, and occasionally delivers when someone dishes to him in a good spot, but rarely takes charge to score or create. It's a gaping hole in our team.
| Yr | G | %Min | ORtg | %Poss | %Shots | eFG% | TS% | OR% | DR% | ARate | TORate | Blk% | Stl% | FC/40 | FD/40 | FTRate | FT% | 2Pt% | 3Pt% | |
| 2015 | So | 11 | 49.2 | 88.4 | 18.0 | 16.3 | 55.1 | 54.3 | 1.6 | 11.6 | 14.3 | 31.0 | 1.0 | 1.9 | 4.6 | 3.0 | 34.7 | 47.1% | 56.2% | 35.3% |
| 2014 | Fr | 35 | 45.1 | 91.1 | 17.4 | 18.6 | 45.2 | 46.2 | 4.3 | 11.6 | 11.7 | 20.5 | 0.5 | 2.5 | 4.8 | 2.9 | 33.1 | 50.0% | 44.2% | 31.0% |
| % Change | 9.1% | -3.0% | 3.4% | -12.4% | 21.9% | 17.5% | -62.8% | 0.0% | 22.2% | 51.2% | 100.0% | -24.0% | -4.2% | 3.4% | 4.8% | -5.8% | 27.1% | 13.9% |
| Year | FGA | TS% | eFG% | % shots at rim | FG% at rim | %assisted at rim | % shots 2pt J | FG% 2pt Jumpers | %of shots 3pt | 3FG% | %assisted 3s | FTA/FGA | FT% |
| 2015 | 49 | 54.3% | 55.1% | 44.9% | 72.7% | 43.8% | 20.4% | 20.0% | 34.7% | 35.3% | 83.3% | 34.7% | 47.1% |
| 2014 | 157 | 46.2% | 45.2% | 35.7% | 53.6% | 63.3% | 19.1% | 26.7% | 45.2% | 31.0% | 95.5% | 33.1% | 50.0% |
| % Change | 17.5% | 21.9% | 25.8% | 35.6% | -30.8% | 6.8% | -25.1% | -23.2% | 13.9% | -12.8% | 4.8% | -5.8% |
Seems like he's improved since last year in the majority of categories
Jesus. This is hard. His Offensive Rating, which seems to be the aggregate statistic, is down. Even if improved, it's not nearly enough given what Colorado, or any program, needs at this point in his or the other 6 relative misses' careers. You are splicing hairs and failing to see the forest from the trees. I am done with this conversation.
His offensive rating is down slightly largely because his FT% is down, but his 2pt% and 3pt% are both up, along with his effective FG% and true shooting% being up. If you really want to call a player out for lack of improvement, then start talking about Talton. Hopkins and Dustin have improved, even if it wasn't as big of a jump as we saw with Burks and Spencer.
Don't forget that he turns the ball a lot. It taxes Booker because he's the only competant guard in the back court.
And yes, I called them all out. It's plain as day that this team is a below .500 in the Pac12 and the underclassmen +Talton/Stalzer are the problem areas.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Nik pretty much summed up the issue. His turnovers are a nightmare. He's improved in other areas but it's not enough, that's as plain as day. We have 3 guys who score. You can't do that.
And yes on Talton. How he has regressed so far is baffling. He's killing us with turnovers and seemingly doing nothing else other than being burned on D. We can't have guard play like this, it's just disastrous.
So do you admit that Hopkins has improved since last year? If not your argument is all over the place. I'm not denying his TOrate has increased, but overall he has improved.
Yes he has imperceptibly, microscopically improved which in the grand scheme of things, is still a big flop. Another massive issue, which you have identified, is how on earth are we not getting 30 mins and 13points from Talton!? He has the toolset. Anybody with thoughts?
rolandftw
Club Member
King was the youngest and least developed of the four, so that isn't really a surprise. He might have improved the most of the four over the summer. Enough for Tad to think he was worthy of a red shirt season at least.
If the team does do poorly can we recover next year? Don't know much about recruiting.
When UK made the NIT and went out after the first game they cleaned house. We aren't on UKs level, but is there the possibility of mass attrition? How would that fare for a coach in Tad's position?
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When UK made the NIT and went out after the first game they cleaned house. We aren't on UKs level, but is there the possibility of mass attrition? How would that fare for a coach in Tad's position?
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Deleted member 807
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Turned around? Yes.
Over the next 3 months with this assembly of talent and egos? Not holding my breath.
Over the next 3 months with this assembly of talent and egos? Not holding my breath.
Buffaloup
New Member
Is this season likely lost? Yes. Is the sophomore class lost? Hell no.
Hopkins has a chance to be special, I think next year could be his year. He could start at the two or come off the bench as a combo guard as he did this year and make huge impact.
Dustin Thomas has been playing out of position his entire career IMO and could see more time at the three next year or as a small ball 4 if Tory Miller continues to improve. He's got to work on his shot we need him to stretch the floor if he's playing at the same time as one of our bigs as the four.
Fletcher still has a lot of potential, I think this offseason will be huge for him, in terms of getting stronger and quicker. He's going to be a luxury off the bench for us next year.
Finally I for one still think George King has possibly the second of third most potential in this entire group, behind Hopkins but between him and Fletcher it could go either way.
Collier/Talton
Fortune/Hopkins
XJ/Fletcher/King
Scott/Thomas
Gordon/Miller
That to me is a pretty solid rotation.
Hopkins has a chance to be special, I think next year could be his year. He could start at the two or come off the bench as a combo guard as he did this year and make huge impact.
Dustin Thomas has been playing out of position his entire career IMO and could see more time at the three next year or as a small ball 4 if Tory Miller continues to improve. He's got to work on his shot we need him to stretch the floor if he's playing at the same time as one of our bigs as the four.
Fletcher still has a lot of potential, I think this offseason will be huge for him, in terms of getting stronger and quicker. He's going to be a luxury off the bench for us next year.
Finally I for one still think George King has possibly the second of third most potential in this entire group, behind Hopkins but between him and Fletcher it could go either way.
Collier/Talton
Fortune/Hopkins
XJ/Fletcher/King
Scott/Thomas
Gordon/Miller
That to me is a pretty solid rotation.