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CFP recommended to expand to 12-team model

  1. Take the #1 and #2 from each of the P5 and have the conference CCG game as round 1. 5 remain
  2. Next seat 4 at large teams. 4 then 2 then 1. Plus the 5 from line one and you have 6.
  3. Now divide by the number of children you have and take the lesser of lines 2 and 3. This is you EITC
  4. Give a handout to UND, play the 6, and the lesser is the amount you owe.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
  1. Take the #1 and #2 from each of the P5 and have the conference CCG game as round 1. 5 remain
  2. Next seat 4 at large teams. 4 then 2 then 1. Plus the 5 from line one and you have 6.
  3. Now divide by the number of children you have and take the lesser of lines 2 and 3. This is you EITC
  4. Give a handout to UND, play the 6, and the lesser is the amount you owe.
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The beer on Friday afternoon thread is over there...
 
TSchekler said:
Right. It doesn't appeal to you, but the point is that you are overblowing the whole "every game doesn't matter anymore" angle. You are also arguing for a system that has made CFB a 2-4 team race every year.
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I’m arguing to remove the playoffs all together.
 
TSchekler said:
Well since that isn’t happening, 12 is better than 4
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Agree to disagree. In my mind, all I see is either a) just watching Bama, Ohio state, Clemson, Georgia/Oklahoma winning more games or b) watching a team that doesn’t deserve to win a championship (ie a 3 loss team) catch fire and upset better teams. Either way, not better in my opinion.
 
CUAviator said:
Cool take.
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I guess I just don’t care about crowning the absolute “best” team every year. If that’s the case, just play a game between Clemson and Bama each year and everyone else can play in 3rd place and below bowl games.

Part of what makes sports so great are upsets and the improbable becoming reality. The Avs and Vegas were the best teams in the regular season and neither are playing for the Cup. The Nets and Jazz were the best teams in the NBA and neither are even in the conference finals. The NFL has massive parity.

If you think a 12 team playoff is just going to give Bama et al more wins, why do you care if there are 12 or 4 teams in the playoff?
 
TSchekler said:
I guess I just don’t care about crowning the absolute “best” team every year. If that’s the case, just play a game between Clemson and Bama each year and everyone else can play in 3rd place and below bowl games.

Part of what makes sports so great are upsets and the improbable becoming reality. The Avs and Vegas were the best teams in the regular season and neither are playing for the Cup. The Nets and Jazz were the best teams in the NBA and neither are even in the conference finals. The NFL has massive parity.

If you think a 12 team playoff is just going to give Bama et al more wins, why do you care if there are 12 or 4 teams in the playoff?
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My opinion will never change yours. Not the inverse. But to answer your question -
A) by that time of the season, I’m pretty much done with football. And where I used to love the culmination of the season with the pageantry of the bowl games, it’s now just a bloated show of about 4 teams.
B) Diminishing the meaning of the bowl games is sad (and no, I don’t like the way it is with the 4-team playoffs)
C) I love upsets. That’s pretty much exclusively how I root for games. But to crown a Cinderella the national champion in football is asinine to me. That’s one of the main reasons I hate pro football. And I’m starting hate (even MORE) MLB.
 
CUAviator said:
Agree to disagree. In my mind, all I see is either a) just watching Bama, Ohio state, Clemson, Georgia/Oklahoma winning more games or b) watching a team that doesn’t deserve to win a championship (ie a 3 loss team) catch fire and upset better teams. Either way, not better in my opinion.
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The chance of 3-loss team or even one of the last couple of teams to get in winning a championship under the new format will be very low. Could they pull an upset or 2? Absolutely, but winning 4 straight against the nation's elite by a team that was a borderline playoff qualifier is extremely low. This isn't college basketball where a massive upset is far more likely to happen, or a mid-level seed getting on a run and winning a title ('85 Villanova, '83 NCState, 2014 UConn, '88 KU, etc)
 
CarolinaBuff said:
The chance of 3-loss team or even one of the last couple of teams to get in winning a championship under the new format will be very low. Could they pull an upset or 2? Absolutely, but winning 4 straight against the nation's elite by a team that was a borderline playoff qualifier is extremely low. This isn't college basketball where a massive upset is far more likely to happen, or a mid-level seed getting on a run and winning a title ('85 Villanova, '83 NCState, 2014 UConn, '88 KU, etc)
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Agree! If you read a few of my other posts, I’m kind of making the same argument…and it doesn’t excite me.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
The chance of 3-loss team or even one of the last couple of teams to get in winning a championship under the new format will be very low. Could they pull an upset or 2? Absolutely, but winning 4 straight against the nation's elite by a team that was a borderline playoff qualifier is extremely low. This isn't college basketball where a massive upset is far more likely to happen, or a mid-level seed getting on a run and winning a title ('85 Villanova, '83 NCState, 2014 UConn, '88 KU, etc)
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Particularly because it’s not a 1 v 12 set up. Most likely the first round games will go chalk and we’ll get an 1 v 8/9, which, I don’t understand the annoyance from the anti-expansion crowd about. We go crazy for an early or mid season top 10 matchups, so why wouldn’t we want to see more of those in a playoff setting?

Also, I was listening to Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks the other day and they were talking about how the CFP needs to go full March madness and put a ton of hype into making the playoff, itself. Make it a badge of honor for programs to tout making it like CBB teams do, and that will, in theory, be a good recruiting tool and hopefully show that blue chip recruits don’t have to go to 3-4 programs to be nationally relevant.
 
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TSchekler said:
That’s only happened in CFP one time. Also, it’s only an all SEC CWS because the NCAA stole it from NC State because of ridiculous Covid testing protocols
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I’ll bite. Testing unvaccinated players is ridiculous?

this is going to be an issue this fall in CFB, including possible unvaxxed CU players.
 
hawg1 said:
I’ll bite. Testing unvaccinated players is ridiculous?

this is going to be an issue this fall in CFB, including possible unvaxxed CU players.
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Testing vaccinated players, which is what got NC State booted (4 vaxxed players tested positive).

However, while we’re on this subject. Tell me why players should be getting tested at all at this point when everything is at 100% capacity and no vaccinations or even masks are required for fans?

These protocols for players are quickly becoming theater only
 
TSchekler said:
Testing vaccinated players, which is what got NC State booted (4 vaxxed players tested positive).

However, while we’re on this subject. Tell me why players should be getting tested at all at this point when everything is at 100% capacity and no vaccinations or even masks are required for fans?

These protocols for players are quickly becoming theater only
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Well, you test exposed vaccinated players / people for breakthrough infections. That’s standard pandemic practice for close quarters groups.
 
hawg1 said:
Well, you test exposed vaccinated players / people for breakthrough infections. That’s standard pandemic practice for close quarters groups.
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But allow 50-100k fans at every game in close quarters without forcing any mask or vax mandates? What are we even doing here?
 
TSchekler said:
What standard practice?
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Standard practice for “outbreaks” and “breakthrough” infections as defined by local health authorities.

This protocol has been in place for 64 total championships (including baseball) with 284 total events, including the preliminary rounds of the championship tournaments, since the second week of February.

D1Baseball has a good tick tock on what happened and why, all the way back to Avent’s first disclosure of the “bug” among the team at his early series presser.
 
hawg1 said:
Standard practice for “outbreaks” and “breakthrough” infections as defined by local health authorities.

This protocol has been in place for 64 total championships (including baseball) with 284 total events, including the preliminary rounds of the championship tournaments, since the second week of February.

D1Baseball has a good tick tock on what happened and why, all the way back to Avent’s first disclosure of the “bug” among the team at his early series presser.
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Ok. Bad and nonsensical protocols as I said
 
FM-Buff said:
Why are the people in charge overthinking this? Play the ****ing games on campus.
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That doesnt yield the bowl game payday is why. Hence the comment of incorporating more bowl games by the aptly named Bowlsby. 🤣

Personally, I think the attendance of said bowl game will be sparse at best. While hometown season ticket holding fans are more likely to come out. Its just gate and concessions revenue and nothing else, except a better atmosphere. And CFB is nothing if its not about money.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
And CFB is nothing if its not about money.
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This.

The following exchange happened in a hearing in Washington 20 years ago:

Shoe company guy:
“I’m not hiding. We want to put our materials on the bodies of your athletes, and the best way to do that is buy your school. Or buy your coach.”

P5 school president:
“Why should a university be an advertising medium for your industry?”

Shoe guy:
“They shouldn’t, sir. You sold your souls, and you’re going to continue selling them. You can be very moral and righteous in asking me that question, sir, but there’s not one of you in this room that’s going to turn down any of our money. You’re going to take it. I can only offer it.”
 
CUAviator said:
My opinion will never change yours. Not the inverse. But to answer your question -
A) by that time of the season, I’m pretty much done with football. And where I used to love the culmination of the season with the pageantry of the bowl games, it’s now just a bloated show of about 4 teams.
B) Diminishing the meaning of the bowl games is sad (and no, I don’t like the way it is with the 4-team playoffs)
C) I love upsets. That’s pretty much exclusively how I root for games. But to crown a Cinderella the national champion in football is asinine to me. That’s one of the main reasons I hate pro football. And I’m starting hate (even MORE) MLB.
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Honest question for you-how many bowl games do you watch a year? They serve a purpose-but there have been years (especially when the Buffs don't make bowls) where I don't watch anything outside of the CFP.
 
ahoelsken said:
Honest question for you-how many bowl games do you watch a year? They serve a purpose-but there have been years (especially when the Buffs don't make bowls) where I don't watch anything outside of the CFP.
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Probably between 3-6. If the match-up is good then sure.
 
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