I mean, ASU lost to USC and UCLA. Are we sure ASU isn't also really lucky they didn't have to play their full 2020 schedule?
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Not necessarily with USC. I agree about Helton, although USC's kind of made it clear they aren't really fishing in the "win at all costs" pond anymore, so I wouldn't be surprised if 9-10 wins gives Helton another year.
I guess I'm just not buying into this mythical ASU hype that's been going on for a few years now, without results.
That is fair. I just think if Daniels takes that next step he can cover most of the holes they have. If that doesn't happen, you probably have USC, ASU, and Utah battling it out with 2 or 3 losses for the south title.
Kind of like the Cal hype the last few years. If everything goes perfect and they get adequate QB play, they could win the North. I would say ASU has a better shot of overachieving than Cal because it's relying on one player being great, rather than the entire defense and multiple players on offense like Cal is.
Honestly, and I know I'll get laughed at here, I don't see why ASU should be viewed in more favorable light than CU in the South. Literally nothing over the last few years has indicated they are appreciably better than CU.
I am pretty sure.
Look at the 2019 and 2020 seasons. USC lives on the edge in pretty much every game.
Cal's offense is average to below average. Having an elite defense with an average to below average offense in today's college football will never get you in the conference title conversation. I don't think they take a step forward there, but we'll see.
I can understand that take on ASU as they probably have less talent overall than Utah and USC. However, when the best player in the conference is a playmaker like Daniels at QB, that can hide a lot of holes and automatically puts you in the conversation. I just love watching him play.
Edit: It also seems like ASU wants to protect Daniels and make him a pocket passer first, which is understandable to a point due to his slight frame. However, that dude is electric with the ball in his hands. Need to let him make those plays and deal with the injuries if they occur because he is that good.
COVID adversely affected Cal and Stanford more than any other P5 programs in the country.
In 2019, ASU went 8-5, with 5 of their wins coming in 1 score games. Their three 2+ score wins came against Sac State, Kent State and Arizona
In 2019, USC went 8-5, with 4 of their wins coming in 1 score games. Their four 2+ score wins came against Stanford, Arizona, Cal and UCLA
In 2020, ASU went 2-2 with both wins being by 2+ scores against Arizona and Oregon State
In 2020, USC went 5-1 with 3 of their wins coming in 1 score games and 2 of their wins being 2+ scores against Utah and Washington State
ASU has lived on the edge more than USC
ASU has been a young team building a team under a new coach.
USC has had an established coach the whole time.
That would be the difference.
Lol we’ll see I guess. ASU’s a .500 Pac 12 program through 2.5 seasons under Herm.
If CU had Jayden Daniels, you would be lining up a hotel room for a CFP appearance.
That and the fact that ASU is building a talented team that we haven't seen mature.
USC has had talent, in some cases what should have been dominant talent under this coach and previous coaches and has always seemed to figure out a way to significantly underperform that talent.
What does anyone think is going to make this USC team different than prior USC teams in similar situations?
Ha, now you’re just getting personal. Still waiting on that dark horse Cal team to show its elite ness you’ve been predicting for a couple years now
I was very bullish on Cal going into 2020.
Who knew having the most restrictive COVID restrictions in the country would adversely affect a team?
Looking forward to a Cal vs ASU in the Pac 12 championship game
I already said Utah is the team to beat in this thread. ASU and USC will chase them.
To be fair, you do have a bit of a thing for Wilcox.
A bit?
Samesies.
And just so everybody is clear - one of those 5 losses was to CU...in Tempe, as a ranked team, with one Jayden Daniels at QB (don’t care how “young” he was. Based on that fact, count me out of the ASU/Daniels hype.
Colorado 34-31 Arizona State (Sep 21, 2019) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Colorado Buffaloes vs. Arizona State Sun Devils NCAAF game, final score 34-31, from September 21, 2019 on ESPN.
it does seem counter-intuitive -- I'd expect that the more restrictive governance during a pandemic leads to a heathier team leads to more on field success. I think the cancellations really hurt their final record though, and that's external to the reasoning regarding team health.
I have the Buffs running away with it. Bigbang said the Oline is legendary, how do we lose a game?
People forget that herm tried to hire Klayton adams as their line coach this offseason and would have ended up with him if he didn’t bail for as assistant line coach in the nfl again.And just so everybody is clear - one of those 5 losses was to CU...in Tempe, as a ranked team, with one Jayden Daniels at QB (don’t care how “young” he was. Based on that fact, count me out of the ASU/Daniels hype.
Colorado 34-31 Arizona State (Sep 21, 2019) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Colorado Buffaloes vs. Arizona State Sun Devils NCAAF game, final score 34-31, from September 21, 2019 on ESPN.www.espn.com
so, if the game gets to a 3rd OT, the game will be decided purely by special teams try plays -- no offense, no defense, no kickoffs, no punts... just trys.
I think I hate that even worse than the system we've had the last several years.
