Any national playoff with any sort of legitimacy would have to include many of the big schools outside the SEC like tOSU, PSU, Michigan, Clemson, USC, FSU, Miami, Oregon, etc.
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Do you think they care about legitimacy? They care about maximizing revenues and being able to claim championships.
As I posted earlier I don't think it will be much time until the big name programs are part of their superconference or organization anyways.
A lot of people in that part of the country with it's passion for college football already consider the SEC champion as the best team in college football (and would argue that the second and even third best teams are better than anyone else as well. Their results in the current playoff give them an argument along these lines with the number of national championship games won by SEC schools (Bama, LSU, Georgia)
It may start out that way but don't see it continuing that way.
Whichever league has the SEC/ACC or at least the bulk of those schools will have a huge advantage both in the quality of talent and teams and in TV market share.
If the B1G were to go to the opposing league (along with ND) it may be more competitive but don't see any way the top teams in the B1g don't end up following the money and joining the SEC schools thus sealing the clear top tier and second tier.
More likely is to have the top tier running what is basically a professional league and a second league that clearly positions themselves as not being the one sold out to "big time" football ahead of retaining some legitimate connection to student athlete vs. paid professional players.
ESPN and Fox are going to have a huge say in all this if they're not ultimately controlling it altogether. And the networks would want teams from all parts of the country not just the Southeast.
They don't need a lot of teams from the rest of the country.
As I posted earlier they have already started to consolidate the teams they need by raiding the B12.
Add U$C and Oregon from the West coast, maybe add another couple of the highest bidders from the west, maybe UCLA, Washington, or an Arizona school.
Then they pick the logical four out of the B1G (tOSU, Mich, Penn State, and either MSU or Wiscy,) Add in Clemson, Miami, and Florida State And they are close to dominating the national TV market for college football. Get these schools in and with the money they generate Notre Dame completes the package.
Wouldn't even shock me if they found a way to kick out a couple of current SEC members meaning the money gets split into fewer pieces.
The rest of the country including us can be upset about being left out but they simply don't need us. Our smaller, mostly regional fan bases don't justify giving us a full cut of the money.
thinking that's going to hurt ticket sales and media revenue
This is from earlier this week - USC posted a Memorial Day tweet but put Chinese jet fighters in their images
That might have been on purpose. And this comes from someone who worked on their MBA at USC.
Mike Bohn approves
Pokitren
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I have a question. Are small regional fan bases supposed to get some share of the money or not? In my opinion, fans are those who are not in it for the money. And if it's for the money, it's a business. But that's just my opinion.
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What do you mean by fan bases getting money? From which source?
Thats too many mouthes at the table. I think its more like ~32 teams total across two conferences. Or there is one 20 team mega conference. Vanderbilt, Rutgers Illinois and Northwestern like programs being unworthy of the payday get left behind for the lack of draw.
If I'm looking at value, a lot of the SEC is not worth a damn except for the fact they play Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee and Texas A&M. Two teams in MS, a state the NFL wouldn't even consider? If this is real, then having members based on the coattails they've ridden from decades of affiliation shouldn't mean a damn thing.
And on that note, the state university of NJ is worth a hell of a lot more than half the SEC, especially if we're talking long-term value within a new paradigm.
value as a football program? I'm not sure I agree. I've been somewhat following Rutgers for a while, back to when they and VT were together in the Big East and now that they're in the B1G with Wisconsin. they've never drawn good crowds, and it really seems the Northeast region doesn't GAF about college football.
maybe you're thinking longer term than I am, but I'm not seeing what new paradigm creates fan interest there.
TV is the king maker here because they are the paymaster. At these dollar amounts It will only be about ratings.
Ratings.
Ranking the most-watched college football programs in 2021
The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week for a 12-week season.- Ohio State — 5.22M
- Michigan — 4.74M
- Alabama — 4.64M
- Penn State — 3.87M
- Georgia — 3.61M
- Oklahoma — 3.46M
- Auburn — 3.22M
- Michigan State — 2.89M
- Notre Dame — 2.84M
- Oregon — 2.57M
- Wisconsin — 2.41M
- Nebraska — 2.29M
- Texas — 2.26M
- Florida — 2.21M
- Arkansas — 2.03M
- LSU — 1.90M
- Texas A&M — 1.86M
- Mississippi — 1.81M
- Clemson — 1.74M
- Iowa — 1.64M
- Purdue — 1.63M
- Oklahoma State — 1.58M
- Tennessee — 1.51M
- Minnesota — 1.28M
- Florida State — 1.27M
43. Mississippi State — 858K
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52. South Carolina — 575K
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58. Rutgers — 488K
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64. Colorado — 366K
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105. Vanderbilt — 37K
The 2021 “4 million club”
Here are all of the games that broke 4 million viewers this season:- Ohio State at Michigan — 15.89M
- Alabama at Auburn — 10.37M
- Michigan at Michigan State — 9.29M
- Georgia at Clemson — 8.87M
- Alabama at Texas A&M — 8.33M
- Alabama at Florida — 7.86M
- Notre Dame at Florida State — 7.75M
- Oregon at Ohio State — 7.73M
- Auburn at Penn State — 7.61M
- Army vs. Navy — 7.57M
- Penn State at Ohio State — 7.05M
- Penn State at Iowa — 6.90M
- Oklahoma at Oklahoma State — 6.49M
- Kentucky at Georgia — 6.37M
- Ohio State at Minnesota — 6.30M
- Georgia at Florida — 6.12M
- Michigan at Penn State — 5.942M
- Oklahoma at Texas — 5.940M
- Georgia at Tennessee — 5.78M
- Alabama at Miami — 5.67M
- Arkansas at Alabama — 5.46M
- Penn State at Wisconsin — 5.41M
- Notre Dame at Wisconsin — 5.37M
- Ohio State at Nebraska — 5.33M
- Michigan State at Ohio State — 5.29M
- Wisconsin at Minnesota — 5.05M
- LSU at Alabama — 5.00M
- Oregon at Utah — 4.82M
- Mississippi at Alabama — 4.79M
- Washington at Michigan — 4.75M
- Purdue at Ohio State — 4.74M
- Tennessee at Alabama — 4.68M
- Michigan at Nebraska — 4.63M
- Georgia at Auburn — 4.58M
- Texas A&M at Colorado — 4.50M
- West Virginia at Oklahoma —4.50M
- Michigan State at Purdue — 4.40M
- Michigan at Wisconsin — 4.31M
- Nebraska at Oklahoma — 4.21M
- Texas A&M at Arkansas — 4.07M
- Indiana at Penn State — 4.00M
So what you're telling me with that data is I'm absolutely right about it being nothing more than coattails.
Alabama game (where Bama drew its norm - maybe below its norm in non-FCS matchups) hugely inflated Ole Miss's overall number.
Right. Except that Rutgers, despite being in a larger population center, still scores lower then Miss State by a lot.
That 2nd list and your 2nd point show the value of marquee matchups for the TV gods and they’ll pay to have more of those. Rutgers played Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin in 2021 and still failed to cross the 4 million mark in any of these games.
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If you are talking about the schools with small regional fanbases no they don't get a share of the money, they big money guys don't want to share the money and they don't see a reason for doing so.
That is why the current conference system gets blown up. USC and Oregon don't want to see an equal share of conference revenue, or even a reduced share of conference media revenue going to Cal, Oregon State, Colorado, or Washington State which are schools that don't drive national or regional viewership numbers.
And it is a business, at that level it is all about the money. Traditional conference ties mean very little when compared to an extra $30-$50 million a year for a school.
Isn’t part of the problem the Pac-12N and regional P12 networks? If you’re not in the footprint, they make it very difficult to watch those channels. Yeah I get it Fubo, sling - but those are really for the die hard fan. Casual alum that would gladly watch the game on espn or fox aren’t going to subscribe to those. (Also, the user experience sucks with the P12N through those services)
Distribution and game times deflate P12 numbers.
Yep, also that. I’m just saying that trying to compare viewership numbers and then saying the P12 teams need to give up Football is apples and oranges. (Maybe apples and other not good apples)
josef
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I agree that distribution plays a huge roll in this. Wasn’t trying to argue that the pac12 drop football. That being said if there was huge demand for the product the distribution would figure itself out. Sort of a chicken and the egg deal.
Given the ratings numbers ESPN or Fox isnt going to put P12 games on over their other properties. Were just regional interest filler to them. I would hope we would avoid those two even if it mean less money. The best hope, I think, is If we end up on CBS or NBC and they put games on in the same time slots across from SEC and B1G to help rebuild the brand
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Weird how having the best distribution and prime time slots prop up the numbers. Almost like the networks want to make sure the programs and conferences they are most heavily invested in get the most eyeballs.
True but it also makes sense that the major networks are going to want the 2 highest ranked teams playing that week and also teams that are national brands. The big noon game on Fox drew great ratings last year but it was no coincidence that Ohio State or Michigan was playing in most of those. As is often said on this board it comes down to USC getting good again.