That's an easy solution for everyone, I honestly can't believe it's even a question. Duh, do that.
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College Football Realignment
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I think it’ll be more than 2 teams but assuming it’s some combination of UNC, Miami, Virginia, Utah, Kansas, and Colorado since McMurphy says AAU is going to be important. FSU gets included for them if they get AAU status. Of course, Stanford/Cal should probably be mentioned as possibilities but if ND is truly never joining a conference, not sure if Stanford really matters.
The SEC would then probably need to also add to get to 20 so that would mean at least a total of 6 from that group, plus Clemson, GT, TTU, TCU, and VT. I actually think when it’s all said and done, it’ll be closer to 24 per conference.
Feels like as long as CU maintains the institutional commitment to football we’ll have a good shot at being included in that kind of format
The SEC would then probably need to also add to get to 20 so that would mean at least a total of 6 from that group, plus Clemson, GT, TTU, TCU, and VT. I actually think when it’s all said and done, it’ll be closer to 24 per conference.
Feels like as long as CU maintains the institutional commitment to football we’ll have a good shot at being included in that kind of format
BerkeleyBuff
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SEC will never add TTU or TCU - SEC already has the two brands that matter in the state. TTU/ TCU have to hope the B1G wants to take a gamble in order to get into Texas (incredibly unlikely)
CitizenKane
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We all have to admit restructuring is all about television revenue. There are only a handful of college brands that significantly sell outside of their own market and really only one persona that sells outside of market (coach prime). Thus for restructuring to be successful they will want at least one school from all of the top twenty to twenty five tv markets. This allows any new version of college football to compete with pro football for add dollars. Denver is 17. None of the other colleges in the area fit the bill. That by itself would make it challenging to leave CU out. Much more so than Utah or Kansas.
BerkeleyBuff
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Market doesn't matter nearly so much as brands and matchups nowadays. If market was that important, Cal, Stanford, SMU, TCU, and a handful of others would already be in the SEC or B1G.
BuffWarHogFrog
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I’ll bet if they do some sort of analysis, the amount of eyeballs that would be on a Texas, aTm, TCU, TT, SMU game/rivalry would be through the rough.
BuffWarHogFrog
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Forgot they were a school with a team.
UVa’s most notable football accomplishment is being mentioned in “Death of a Salesman”
I think it depends how you define market. The Bay Area is historically extremely pro-sports oriented and, while populous, has little support for college athletics. Texas, while certainly big on college sports, is saturated with college teams commanding bigger followings than SMU and TCU.
I think both conferences will pick off 6-10 more in total (2-4 for the B1G and 4-6 for the SEC) from the ACC/Big 12 over the next 5-6 years to get to 22-24/each. The leftovers from both conferences will merge, likely into the Big 12 because the ACC will likely dissolve when the top 4-6 leave, and we will have the P2, a Mid-1 and a G6 for a few years.
Then, because the conferences are still in their independent structure, I can see them moving toward a true super league where they will expand again with the Mid-1 conference joining and then creating divisions that look similar to traditional regional conferences, OR the blue bloods from both conferences get together and decide they want to make a true NFL-lite with 32-40 programs total from coast to coast with very little dead weight.
It’s an invitational league where programs like Maryland, Purdue, Rutgers, Vandy, Miss State, Iowa State, Wake, BC, Syracuse, Indiana, Houston, UCF, etc aren’t included.
Then, because the conferences are still in their independent structure, I can see them moving toward a true super league where they will expand again with the Mid-1 conference joining and then creating divisions that look similar to traditional regional conferences, OR the blue bloods from both conferences get together and decide they want to make a true NFL-lite with 32-40 programs total from coast to coast with very little dead weight.
It’s an invitational league where programs like Maryland, Purdue, Rutgers, Vandy, Miss State, Iowa State, Wake, BC, Syracuse, Indiana, Houston, UCF, etc aren’t included.
CitizenKane
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Each of the schools you mentioned have competing schools that dominate their own markets that are already in the SEC or B1G. Texas and USC. If you’ve lived in Dallas you know there are for more Texas and A&M fans than TCU or SMU. Ditto Northern California where SC, Washington and Oregon fans outnumber Cal or Stanford. Thus the markets you referenced are already on lockdown. The denver market is not. So yeah it still matters a ton.
I actually think that TTU, as the 3rd largest TX university system, has more alums and boosters in DFW than TCU or SMU.
BuffWarHogFrog
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BerkeleyBuff
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Nah you're kinda making my point. In the streaming world, it's the reach of any team - whether the fans are in the team's hometown or a thousand miles away - that matters. Does CU have that reach? At the moment, maybe not, but Prime has helped a ton in the last couple of years.
BerkeleyBuff
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I think we'd have a better chance to compete in the B1G, we definitely (I'd bet) have a lot more alumni in the B1G footprint, and of course, we could get the Nubs back as an annual game.
Interesting. Not sure what the reality is. I do know that TTU leans heavily on DFW presence when it has positioned itself in realignment discussions.
I would, mostly so we can start beating the Nubs on a regular basis, but the SEC would be a lot of fun and I think we would start recruiting extremely well. So, an SEC invite might be better overall for the program.
Probably true for Kansas, but definitely not for Utah. They are not even the top brand in their state, other than for recent success.
McMurphy mentioned Utah as one that’s been mentioned around the B1G but qualified it by saying 5 years is a long way off and who knows how Utah (or any program) will be viewed by 2030. What does Utah look like post-Wittingham? Keeping everyone in place and elevating Scalley should theoretically keep it all going but you never really know.
Apparently Utah has a great working relationship with USC. It doesn't hurt to have schools who might go to bat for you when needed.
Working in pairs isn't a bad idea. Oklahoma and Texas worked together to get to the SEC, Oregon and Washington the same for the Big10.
Maybe CU should be partnering up with Utah, Kansas or ASU who are certainly all looking for greener pastures.
Pac-10 only added Utah because they needed a travel partner for CU. So there's about a 10-year run in there where Utah became a more respected national brand. But it's a smaller school in a smaller state which splits its home market, has much less total prestige (awards, national championship, etc), pulls lower national broadcast ratings, and has less value for the B1G member universities as a research partner (B1G actually has agreements for that), fewer B1G alums in its locale, and fewer prospective students the universities would attract.
Football success by CU these next 5 years makes this a slam dunk. Same thing if we're talking about Kansas and other AAU members from the Big 12. The only thing CH loses on is MBB prestige and ratings, which could be a factor if that part of the brand were to be more heavily weighted than it has been.
I think the "relationship" pairing that's most significant is that there's broadcast value in the CU-NU rivalry that exceeds anything else available besides FSU-Miami.
CU recruiting the southeast and Texas is definitely my thinking here as well
The annual game with the niblets would be fun, no argument there. I just think CU would get lost in recruiting, just like Nebraska.
When CU recruits Texas and parts of the southeast, we are good. When we do not, we are bad. Did we not learn anything from our years in the PAC 12?
Utah has not “missed” on a head coach in forever (Ron McBride, Urban Meyer, and Kyle Wittingham collectively extend back 35 years, all with winning records). When KW retires in the next year or two, it will be interesting to see if Morgan Scalley can continue the trend.
It would really depend on what the B1G does. Let's say they add Miami and GA Tech. Very real possibility of that.
And while that helps, it's not that big of a deal for recruiting. CU has been doing very well in FL & GA for a while and it has zero to do with the announcement we'd be in the same league as UCF. Early recruiting in the Pac had us doing great in TX - because it was emphasized and Grimes was hired. It's mostly going to come down to being a winning program that emphasizes a recruiting area by having well connected recruiters on staff.
It'll be interesting to see what ESPN/Fox and the leagues decide as their top qualifier in this next round. Almost all of the largest brands are already in the BIG/SEC. I don't really understand Utah unless you are solely going off of recent success. They bring almost nothing other than recent success and a top 30ish market.