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College Football Realignment

Utah and Kansas have and will always have less viewership than CU. Smaller markets, absolutely no previous major viewership, and no legitimate growth possible besides KU basketball

So dumb that USC would argue for Utah when they are behind CU in every possible metric, literally every possible metric
The only reason that USC would argue for Utah is that they are behind CU in those metrics. Even with years of relative futility USC is the big name program west of the Mississipi. Oregon has been prominent in recent decades but that is purely because of Uncle Phil, not because they have a huge loyal following outside of Ducks fans.

SC loves the B1G money but they are wealthy enough that the money isn't the only factor in decision, even with a couple decades of CU being a train wreck CU is ultimately a bigger threat to being an elite program that Utah is. Utah has been good but doesn't have the resources to take another step up.

SC and UCLA didn't leave the PAC12 to ruin the PAC but you have to know that the powers in the B1G knew that raiding the PAC would result in extending their reach all the way to the coast and remove the PAC from the discussion as a major conference in the TV media market, taking Oregon and Washington solidified that. There are now only 4 major conferences dividing the TV pie instead of 5 and with the west coast schools the B1G is in position to get the biggest share of that money.
 
The Pac 12 had the opportunity to survive with Oregon and Washington still part of it, but they thought they could do better than the TV deal with ESPN and Fox that the Big 12 ultimately took. There was enough money for one more deal and the Big 12 took it.
The revisionist history remains out of control. Oregon and Washington nixed the $29m ESPN deal? The conference presidents/chancellors voted to play hardball and it backfired, and nobody has any idea which universities voted which way. The same Oregon that later signed off on the $20m Apple TV deal before UW let them know they were going to leave voted against the ESPN deal? I think not, but I won't pretend to know either way.
 
Colorado is the absolute best option for the B1G because they can continue congruent state growth into the largest media market available, and the rivalry with Nebraska is very valuable, and if they were able to get Miami and Notre Dame, then there are legendary rivalries with us.
Legendary rivalries with us? Huh? Three bowl games in the ‘90s against ND and only the second one was a close game. All were so long ago that few people under 35 have any memory of them. Plus blowout losses for us in ‘83 and ‘84. How is that a legendary rivalry?

Against Miami we had the blowout loss in 2005, the brawl game in 1993 (a good game, robbed by a phantom holding call if I recall correctly), and some games in the ‘60s and 70s that almost no one remembers. Also not a legendary rivalry.
 
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Utah and Kansas have and will always have less viewership than CU. Smaller markets, absolutely no previous major viewership, and no legitimate growth possible besides KU basketball

So dumb that USC would argue for Utah when they are behind CU in every possible metric, literally every possible metric
Schools don’t have much say anymore.

Who does ESPN want?
 
I don't know about TV ratings but I remember an article that CU fans were stay attending games good or bad
This fanbase has shown that it punches above its weight in both TV ratings and attendance, no matter the coach, opponent or on field success. A winning product and of course, a HC like Prime, takes CU to easily the tops of the M2 (mid-2 conferences) and in the top third of SEC/B1G w/r/t TV ratings and attendance/capacity ratio.
 
FWIW, I believe that when they do the analysis on tv ratings, prospective students from the home state, academic rankings to make the schools a cultural fit, etc... the B1G will conclude that Colorado & Arizona is the most valuable duo for western expansion.
I’m just hoping it’s the actual B1G that’s doing the decision making and not FOX.

Article out today that said FOX, not the B1G, negotiated directly with NBC and CBS for their B1G TV contracts/inventory. Basically, FOX has all the TV rights for that conference for like 15 years and they get to sell pieces of it to other networks.

If that’s the case for further expansion, FOX is t going to give a **** about all that. They’ll abide by some basic things like AAU status but otherwise will take whichever they think they can market the best
 
FWIW, I believe that when they do the analysis on tv ratings, prospective students from the home state, academic rankings to make the schools a cultural fit, etc... the B1G will conclude that Colorado & Arizona is the most valuable duo for western expansion.
I don't know. I've heard Utah and Kansas over Colorado. I know Greg spoke about Virginia but I've heard they are SEC bound with UNC and Clemson.

I know Florida State, GT, and Miami love to throw themselves in the Big Ten but i haven't heard a peep about them to the SEC or B1G from the conference itself. ND is the one everyone wants but I am hearing ACC and SEC will do whatever to block ND from joining the B1G. ESPN doesn't want to lose ND. Colorado is in the tier of FSU, Miami, and GT. Appealing but B1G schools aren't in love with them and they aren't on the SEC radar.

Kansas and Utah are the schools that are with UVA and UNC as the favorites. Notre Dame is too of course but ESPN doesn't want to lose them

No one is mentioning it but ND could join the ACC and get they could take some Big XII teams like Kansas, Utah, CU, and Arizona.
 
I’m just hoping it’s the actual B1G that’s doing the decision making and not FOX.

Article out today that said FOX, not the B1G, negotiated directly with NBC and CBS for their B1G TV contracts/inventory. Basically, FOX has all the TV rights for that conference for like 15 years and they get to sell pieces of it to other networks.

If that’s the case for further expansion, FOX is t going to give a **** about all that. They’ll abide by some basic things like AAU status but otherwise will take whichever they think they can market the best
Well, CU draws the biggest football number by far along with more hardware than anyone other than USC and maybe Washington in the west. Arizona brings close to what KU does in hoops with more football history and better ratings for it. And they are the flagships for states with populations of 6.0M & 7.5M (CO & AZ) vs 3.5M & 3.0M (UT & KS). Not sure why the broadcast networks would choose the Utes and Jayhawks.
 
Well, CU draws the biggest football number by far along with more hardware than anyone other than USC and maybe Washington in the west. Arizona brings close to what KU does in hoops with more football history and better ratings for it. And they are the flagships for states with populations of 6.0M & 7.5M (CO & AZ) vs 3.5M & 3.0M (UT & KS). Not sure why the broadcast networks would choose the Utes and Jayhawks.
Arizona nor Arizona State been mentioned for B1G expansion.
 
At one point they did. They seriously considered Nebraska and Colorado to the SEC. Not anymore. It's the big 4 for the SEC: ND, CLEMSON, UNC, & UVA.
So much seems like politics and certain schools trying to protect their recruiting grounds. Only reason that the SEC has so little interest in FSU - which is probably the most seamless fit into Conference culture and overall fit of any school not currently in the SEC.

That has got to be what's at play with the B1G if the recent speculations are accurate.
 
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FWIW, I believe that when they do the analysis on tv ratings, prospective students from the home state, academic rankings to make the schools a cultural fit, etc... the B1G will conclude that Colorado & Arizona is the most valuable duo for western expansion.
Not ASU? Phoenix is huge
 
Putting this here just to show why the networks are eventually going to force CFB into an NFL style format. I'd even go as far as to say it will eventually be structured with anti trust exemptions and full scale CBAs so they can create more parity and have huge matchups every week.

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Most viewed MLB game this year was Yankees-Dodgers with 2.73M in June.

Celtics-Lakers on Xmas Day at 7.9M viewers was the most watched regular season NBA game last year.

NFL is king, but CFB comfortably leads everyone else while also having the most growth potential by creating more great matchups through realignment. Heck, CBB might be the #3 broadcast sport based on current success and potential - March Madness Final Drew 18.1M viewers.
 
So much seems like politics and certain schools trying to protect their recruiting grounds. Only reason that the SEC has so little interest in FSU - which is probably the most seamless fit into Conference culture and overall fit of any school not currently in the SEC.

That has got to be what's at play with the B1G if the recent speculations are accurate.
Yep! Politics makes a massive deal
 
Yep! Politics makes a massive deal
Politics was a big challenge for the Pac-12 with its expansion discussions. Other factors than "owning all significant home carriage cable markets in the West" and "securing all the most successful, nationally respected and committed athletic departments in the footprint" drove decisions.

Boise State: can't have a former JUCO that recruits the same geography as current members. Ignore that they've regularly been ranked in football, consistently beats Pac-12 teams, makes the postseason in MBB, is under an MWC cutout deal with its media partner because they get selected for national broadcast every week, and brings in one of the 5 fastest growing states in the country.

BYU: same thing but with Utah not wanting it and the politics of how BYU, through its church affiliation, has some restrictions on academic freedom and invested heavily to try to block gay marriage passage in California. Let's ignore its success, following, ability to fill the 4th largest college stadium in the West, and the prestige of it having won a modern era (post-integration) national championship in football.

SDSU: secondary cutout in the MWC that wasn't as rich as BSU's but still significant, success vs the Pac-12, largest home market for cable rates the Pac-12 didn't have, and a national powerhouse in MBB. But there's political divide between the U Cal and Cal State systems, USC/UCLA claim San Diego as a home market in their minds, and UA/ASU rely heavily on San Diego recruiting so didn't want competition.

UNLV: upcoming with new stadium and facilities, 2nd largest unclaimed home metro, national brand for basketball, one of the fastest growing states, one of the fastest growing universities, and prep schools that are successfully playing football games against powerhouses from TX. But it was looked down upon as a commuter school in a secondary owned market by several then-current Pac-12 members.

Throw in that none were AAU members or ranked in the Top 100 on ARWU, so many in the Pac-12 felt that they weren't worthy of being associated with them.

Same thing happened when the possibility of becoming a Pac-14 via OU-OSU was on the table or when poaching the Big 12 for TTU & TCU was being discussed.

Arrogance and incompetence from the Pac-12, but a ton of politics with it too. I'm not surprised at all if this is also shaping B1G and SEC plans.
 
Politics was a big challenge for the Pac-12 with its expansion discussions. Other factors than "owning all significant home carriage cable markets in the West" and "securing all the most successful, nationally respected and committed athletic departments in the footprint" drove decisions.

Boise State: can't have a former JUCO that recruits the same geography as current members. Ignore that they've regularly been ranked in football, consistently beats Pac-12 teams, makes the postseason in MBB, is under an MWC cutout deal with its media partner because they get selected for national broadcast every week, and brings in one of the 5 fastest growing states in the country.

BYU: same thing but with Utah not wanting it and the politics of how BYU, through its church affiliation, has some restrictions on academic freedom and invested heavily to try to block gay marriage passage in California. Let's ignore its success, following, ability to fill the 4th largest college stadium in the West, and the prestige of it having won a modern era (post-integration) national championship in football.

SDSU: secondary cutout in the MWC that wasn't as rich as BSU's but still significant, success vs the Pac-12, largest home market for cable rates the Pac-12 didn't have, and a national powerhouse in MBB. But there's political divide between the U Cal and Cal State systems, USC/UCLA claim San Diego as a home market in their minds, and UA/ASU rely heavily on San Diego recruiting so didn't want competition.

UNLV: upcoming with new stadium and facilities, 2nd largest unclaimed home metro, national brand for basketball, one of the fastest growing states, one of the fastest growing universities, and prep schools that are successfully playing football games against powerhouses from TX. But it was looked down upon as a commuter school in a secondary owned market by several then-current Pac-12 members.

Throw in that none were AAU members or ranked in the Top 100 on ARWU, so many in the Pac-12 felt that they weren't worthy of being associated with them.

Same thing happened when the possibility of becoming a Pac-14 via OU-OSU was on the table or when poaching the Big 12 for TTU & TCU was being discussed.

Arrogance and incompetence from the Pac-12, but a ton of politics with it too. I'm not surprised at all if this is also shaping B1G and SEC plans.
All of what you have here is valid.

The bigger issue though is that people west of Rockies don't take college football as seriously as they do in the south and midwest. It's the same reason that the two big conferences haven't raced to grab schools in New England. They took Rutgers because they needed a connection to the the NY/NJ area. Maryland as well connects them to the DC area but neither of those is a big draw for TV and other fan interest.

USC gets some good interest in the LA area, UCLA come along for the ride. Washington gets good backing in the Seattle area, Oregon is a different deal because they come with Nike.

All of these schools though pale in comparison to NFL interest in their regions. They have their core fans but don't control the market like many schools do in the SEC or other B1G schools.

Look at the schools that even when not on top of the conference draw 100,000 fans for an OOC game against a MAC school. Some of these schools have bigger fans bases and revenues even in markets with less than 1/2 or even less than 1/4 the population and much smaller economic bases that the LA area or the Pacific Northwest.

Handled correctly the PAC12 could have survived but it would have had to take some significant steps and even then would have always been at a bit of a disadvantage. The best hope for the conference to survive would have been to beat the SEC to adding Texas, Oklahoma, and a couple of partner schools bringing the conference into the Southwest market.
 
what are the numbers for a big cfb game?

Georgia-Tennesse drew 12.58 million
Florida-LSU 7.64 million
Michigan-OU 9.67 million
Texas-OSU 16.62 million
ND-Miami 10.8 million
Alabama-FSU 10.66 million
Clemson-LSU 10.45 million

 
amazing how big the numbers are for the nfl. tv gonna definitely force regalement for bigger ratings here in the very near future, even when we suck cu's numbers are way better than anybody else out west,
 
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