Mike Vanderjagt
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Serious question, what year do you think it is?Colorado is the absolute best option for the B1G because they can continue congruent state growth into the largest media market available, and the rivalry with Nebraska is very valuable, and if they were able to get Miami and Notre Dame, then there are legendary rivalries with us.
CU draws the best national ratings of anyone available besides Notre Dame and fits the other things the B1G has previously prioritized such as academic profile, B1G alumni presence in its location, the high volume of HS students with B1G level college admissions transcripts in its location, and "legend & leader" program prestige with championships, national awards, and All Americans.Serious question, what year do you think it is?
CU is absolutely a valuable brand for the B1G (at least under Prime), my smartass question was about the legendary rivalries, which simply aren't. Nubs is a rivalry but Miami and ND are not. Those later 2 might attract viewership but it's not going to be because of a few games in the late-80s through mid-90s.CU draws the best national ratings of anyone available besides Notre Dame and fits the other things the B1G has previously prioritized such as academic profile, B1G alumni presence in its location, the high volume of HS students with B1G level college admissions transcripts in its location, and "legend & leader" program prestige with championships, national awards, and All Americans.
Agree that these are the key considerations as we understand them?
Selling ads is the most important thing to the networks and ratings is what sells ads. CU gets ratings.CU draws the best national ratings of anyone available besides Notre Dame and fits the other things the B1G has previously prioritized such as academic profile, B1G alumni presence in its location, the high volume of HS students with B1G level college admissions transcripts in its location, and "legend & leader" program prestige with championships, national awards, and All Americans.
Agree that these are the key considerations as we understand them?
The revisionist history remains out of control. Oregon and Washington nixed the $29m ESPN deal? The conference presidents/chancellors voted to play hardball and it backfired, and nobody has any idea which universities voted which way. The same Oregon that later signed off on the $20m Apple TV deal before UW let them know they were going to leave voted against the ESPN deal? I think not, but I won't pretend to know eit
Utah for Football is appealing and the Pac-12 schools liked Utah.So can anyone explain why we do not seem to have any major momentum going and this Kansas - Utah news would make any freaking sense at all? Population, Total Research, TV Market, Overall Brand, Viewership, etc etc etc
Utah for Football is appealing and the Pac-12 schools liked Utah.
As for the Kansas, Basketball blueblood. Rivals with OU and Missouri. Just a good Western for for the SEC plus Kansas City as a market.
The SEC strongly considered us and Nebraska as Nebraska contacted them with the idea of CU and Nebraska. CU really hasn't shown any interest in leaving the Big XII. They have been the most aggressive in terms of VC but teams who aren't as locked in don't like and some like TT want a more even playing field.
They aren't. RG is strategic. He's not going to be desperate like Utah. He has great relationship with Brett and they haven't been let down by Brett yet.There is no way we are dumb enough to think the Big12 can take us high enough, and sorry to say, but the Big12 is not in our league now with Research, AAU, TV Viewership, and National Branding.
We must be lobbying for B1G membership every day that ends in Y
None of this stuff is actually coming from anybody who has real influence over what happens. It is media speculation building on fan speculation taking advantage of an easy topic to draw clicks.So can anyone explain why we do not seem to have any major momentum going and this Kansas - Utah news would make any freaking sense at all? Population, Total Research, TV Market, Overall Brand, Viewership, etc etc etc
I don’t get how Northwestern got ZERO. They played Michigan, Ohio State and Washington last year; and Penn St and Nebraska the year before. Like, cracking the top 100 should have at least been an accident at some point there.
They aren't. RG is strategic.
I just chuckled at putting Wake in this category. (R2, non-AAU, typically outside the top 25-40 in popular rankings)Northwestern should do everyone a favor and leave the B1G for the Ivy.
At the least, I'd love to see Northwestern, Vandy, Duke, Stanford and Wake form something outside whatever the CFB League is s going to be.
I didn't realize that they were R2.I just chuckled at putting Wake in this category. (R2, non-AAU, typically outside the top 25-40 in popular rankings)
I guess. I lump them in more with NCST.I didn't realize that they were R2.
But they fit the culture I described. Sort of like SMU.
Have to hope RG has good relationships with other schools.None of this stuff is actually coming from anybody who has real influence over what happens. It is media speculation building on fan speculation taking advantage of an easy topic to draw clicks.
For the schools involved there is an advantage to being involved in the public conversation. Not saying that this is the case but for schools like Utah and Kansas planting rumors is beneficial to them. "We are in the conversation for expansion in the B1G, this is the time to up your donation, to buy or upgrade your season tickets, to join the premium level booster club, etc. Corporate sponsors get onboard, support your community by supporting the university."
In the end when the decisions are made they will be made by people who aren't a part of the rumors and who will make the decisions in their own self interest. My view and that of many here is that when it comes down to it neither Utah or Kansas stand out. The interest of the ADs for both schools though isn't to admit that. Kansas just did a major stadium renovation but still draws well below CU and per seat revenue is lower as well. Utah has had success on the field but again their market is limited, they aren't adding value to the revenue potential of the B1G.
Fans love to get wrapped up in their programs, that's why they are fans. CSU fans were all excited a few years back when they were sure that a B12 invitation was coming their way. It justified them building a new on campus stadium, firing and hiring coaches, and a bunch of other expenditures that their revenues never covered and never will.
Conference realignment is a very relevant topic for every program in college football. Reality is that other than a select group of the highest revenue programs most schools are reliant on the decisions of others, and those people aren't talking meaning that most of what we see is pure speculation.
Arrogance at CU answers your question of why we cannot pair up. RG and the whole AD think they are more valuable that others do. It bleeds across the ADHave to hope RG has good relationships with other schools.
I keep hearing how Utah and USC get along well. Why can't CU try and pair up with Utah or ASU or even Kansas? Politics and connections always play a role.
Rick George has a good relationship with several SEC schools, including two former members of the Big 12.Have to hope RG has good relationships with other schools.
I keep hearing how Utah and USC get along well. Why can't CU try and pair up with Utah or ASU or even Kansas? Politics and connections always play a role.
Yep. And CU's always been tight with UT while having a lot of Mizzou connections. I don't think there was ever a bad run with OU other than Switzer wanting to destroy Fairbanks - to which I say thank you. Always seemed to get along with aTm, too.Rick George has a good relationship with several SEC schools, including two former members of the Big 12.
He really does. This is a fact. RG has a better relationship with the SEC by a mile than the Big Ten. He also has good relationships with Calford. Some said Calford was mad at CU but CU worked tremendously work with Calford to get them to join the Big XII but they just didn't like the academic standards but appreciated the effort of RG. The ACC likes CU too. I really think RG and Prime just love Yormark the most but as of right now. CU would draw interest. Just that Kansas is behind the scenes letting it be known they want to join a bigger conference with Utah heavily. CU on the other hand is trying extremely hard with Texas Tech to make the Big XII more viable.Rick George has a good relationship with several SEC schools, including two former members of the Big 12.
Well, theoretically, if they can make it work with the Big 12, both CU and TTU know that it’s the easiest way to top tier status and CFP. KU and Utah thinking they are going to compete with Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, USC and even some of the other mid-B1G programs is a pipe dream.He really does. This is a fact. RG has a better relationship with the SEC by a mile than the Big Ten. He also has good relationships with Calford. Some said Calford was mad at CU but CU worked tremendously work with Calford to get them to join the Big XII but they just didn't like the academic standards but appreciated the effort of RG. The ACC likes CU too. I really think RG and Prime just love Yormark the most but as of right now. CU would draw interest. Just that Kansas is behind the scenes letting it be known they want to join a bigger conference with Utah heavily. CU on the other hand is trying extremely hard with Texas Tech to make the Big XII more viable.
This is why no one is mentioning CU for conference expansion. They are trying to make it work in the Big XII
They are trying. The Big XII been trying hard for years. Even tried to get FSU and Clemson.Big 12 can't work unless there's a path to form something new that combines some ACC with some Big 12 with maybe some "other" if there's more value in a UConn than another option or something like that. Getting Notre Dame would make it work without a doubt to be the 3rd major conference.
Considering what Notre Dame values (academic prestige, well-heeled alums, recruiting grounds for students & players) football prestige, here is how the non B1G/SEC schools stack up:
College FB Conference Public/Private Endowment AAU Research Shanghai Metro Football Notre Dame Independent Private Boston College ACC Private Cal ACC Public Clemson ACC Public Duke ACC Private Florida State ACC Public GA Tech ACC Public Louisville ACC Public Miami ACC Private North Carolina ACC Public NC State ACC Public Pitt ACC Public SMU ACC Private Stanford ACC Private Syracuse ACC Private Virginia ACC Public VA Tech ACC Public Wake Forest ACC Private
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The CalFord list of schools from ACC & B12, starts with AAU membership.
1. Arizona
2. Arizona State
3. Cal
4. Colorado
5. Duke
6. Kansas
7. Miami
8. North Carolina
9. Notre Dame
10. Pittsburgh
11. Stanford
12. Utah
13. Virginia
Then, you've got Syracuse as a former AAU member which has the chops but wanted to focus on its liberal arts DNA instead of trying to pivot into their STEM requirements.
I think any new major conference is a merger of the above list from ACC-B12 with others selected based on high academic rep/ values along with bringing ratings, recruiting grounds, and ability to financially compete (large enough endowment, high AD revenue, and prominent alums).
Non-AAUs in other conferences is pretty much Buffalo, Tulane, Rice and USF. Not a lot there, with maybe Tulane being worth a look or even USF if the B1G-SEC poach Miami-FSU because you absolutely have to be in FL. Similarly, you have to be in TX so you have to take a look at all the options. Baylor has good academics and high AD revenue, TTU also good academics while being the flagship of the TX State system & having some rich boosters, TCU & SMU are the DFW market so you're going to take 1 of them (SMU has more money alums & academic prestige), Houston has good academics and a lot more potential to compete than Rice with that market it puts you in.
Then, you have those schools like Clemson & Florida State which are too good as football programs to not invite if they're available. They change the value of a media contract and the national respect for the conference.
UConn might get interesting since the academics are good, they're one of the Tier 1 blue bloods in MBB with Duke, UNC, UK, KU and UCLA along with Tier 1 in WBB, and they tap into both the NYC and New England markets if the conference is going to have a broadcast network to compete with B1GN and SECN. ESPN really likes UConn, with a little bias there since they're down the street from HQ.
I think that Louisville also gets a little love as a historically good hoops school with a national rep, a good - if uneven - history of football success, and motivated boosters. NCST and VT are also possibilities based on good academics, good national rep, good followings & commitments for football, with some good success.
You can grab 20-24 schools out of this that pulls enough weight to be the 3rd major conference as long as you don't lose Notre Dame, Miami, Clemson and FSU to B1G/SEC.
TTU also good academics
Say what now.Houston has good academics
In my head, that was Tech is the 3rd largest State University system in TX and TTU is the flagship of it.Say what now.
Other note: TTU is not the flagship of the Texas State system.
….nor does TTU have strong academics. The joke amongst high school students in the Metroplex looking for a college - Grades down? Guns up.Say what now.
Other note: TTU is not the flagship of the Texas State system.
C’s get degrees all day and night….nor does TTU have strong academics. The joke amongst high school students in the Metroplex looking for a college - Grades down? Guns up.