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College Football Selection Committee

fervorfactor

Active Member
The conspiracy is on. Per sports news, the criteria for the committee is:
- Conference Championships
- Strength of Schedule
- Head to head games
- Pay no attention to AP or other polls.

It's early and CCGs are still to be played but things don't smell right. I listened to Jeff Long (head of the committee) tonight on ESecPN and he mentioned a criteria of beating rated teams. The committee didn't meet until October 28th so to what rated teams is he referencing? The SEC will get one, the PAC will get one (Oregon or ASU), FSU will be there unless they lose and either TCU or Baylor will probably make it. The Baylor/TCU debate is interesting. If its head to head, Baylor needs to be ahead of TCU. The SEC could be problematic, if UGA comes out in the SEC championship game and wins, the SEC might not get an entry. I think the selection committee isn't, or yet, living by their mantra. There will always be bitching.
 
fervorfactor said:
The conspiracy is on. Per sports news, the criteria for the committee is:
- Conference Championships
- Strength of Schedule
- Head to head games
- Pay no attention to AP or other polls.

It's early and CCGs are still to be played but things don't smell right. I listened to Jeff Long (head of the committee) tonight on ESecPN and he mentioned a criteria of beating rated teams. The committee didn't meet until October 28th so to what rated teams is he referencing? The SEC will get one, the PAC will get one (Oregon or ASU), FSU will be there unless they lose and either TCU or Baylor will probably make it. The Baylor/TCU debate is interesting. If its head to head, Baylor needs to be ahead of TCU. The SEC could be problematic, if UGA comes out in the SEC championship game and wins, the SEC might not get an entry. I think the selection committee isn't, or yet, living by their mantra. There will always be bitching.
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Yep
 
Instead of a committee picking two, they are picking four. The only thing it changed is the guy who would have had a good argument to be in the top 2, and ends up number 3, now gets a shot.

It's better for the fans.

Big12 needs to get a CCG. If Ohio State wins out, there will be a B1G push.

Bottom line is there's a lot of football still to play though.
 
buffaholic said:
Instead of a committee picking two, they are picking four. The only thing it changed is the guy who would have had a good argument to be in the top 2, and ends up number 3, now gets a shot.

It's better for the fans.

Big12 needs to get a CCG. If Ohio State wins out, there will be a B1G push.

Bottom line is there's a lot of football still to play though.
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CSU's ears just picked up.

After Mich St, Ohio St's best win is _______________????? http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/194/ohio-state-buckeyes

That's a dogpoop schedule that makes Bailer's overall schedule look good. They deserve to be penalized. I'd like to see TCU in this thing.
 
buffaholic said:
Instead of a committee picking two, they are picking four. The only thing it changed is the guy who would have had a good argument to be in the top 2, and ends up number 3, now gets a shot.

It's better for the fans.

Big12 needs to get a CCG. If Ohio State wins out, there will be a B1G push.

Bottom line is there's a lot of football still to play though.
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don't they need two more members first? Of course, it's possible the NCAA will be fooled by the conference name and forget to count.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
CSU's ears just picked up.
LOL

As I recall, there's some Big 12 bias against this, but I think it's a crime that BYU isn't in a P5 conference. They have a athletic resume that puts some of the P5 schools to shame, and they're more than good enough as an academic institution. The only thing that's screwing them is the Mormon thing.

I think they'd look the other direction for another school to add, to try to get WVU a travel partner.
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Alfred91 said:
J.R. Ewing said:
CSU's ears just picked up.
LOL

As I recall, there's some Big 12 bias against this, but I think it's a crime that BYU isn't in a P5 conference. They have a athletic resume that puts some of the P5 schools to shame, and they're more than good enough as an academic institution. The only thing that's screwing them is the Mormon thing.

I think they'd look the other direction for another school to add, to try to get WVU a travel partner.
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BYU likes things the way they are. BYU is basically an arm of the Mormon church. By having BYU athletics on their own channel, it drives Mormon eyeballs to the BYU channel.
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Alfred91 said:
J.R. Ewing said:
CSU's ears just picked up.
LOL

As I recall, there's some Big 12 bias against this, but I think it's a crime that BYU isn't in a P5 conference. They have a athletic resume that puts some of the P5 schools to shame, and they're more than good enough as an academic institution. The only thing that's screwing them is the Mormon thing.

I think they'd look the other direction for another school to add, to try to get WVU a travel partner.
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Louisville would be perfect, but they still have an SEC wedge between the two eastern schools and the rest of the conference - very odd alignment. Not BSU and SDSU in the Big East odd, but still doesn't make a ton of sense.

Edit: Get Louisville, Pitt, Virginia and VTech to accept binding behind closed door offers, then go to Miami and FSU and tell them they have one week to accept the same or they are calling Clemson and G-Tech. Would love watching something like this play out! (even if it could never happen)
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Big XII will end up getting left out after the CCGs and end up elevating a couple more glorified JUCOs in UCF and Cincinnati.

From phone
 
Highlander said:
Alfred91 said:
J.R. Ewing said:
CSU's ears just picked up.
Louisville would be perfect, but they still have an SEC wedge between the two eastern schools and the rest of the conference - very odd alignment. Not BSU and SDSU in the Big East odd, but still doesn't make a ton of sense.

Edit: Get Louisville, Pitt, Virginia and VTech to accept binding behind closed door offers, then go to Miami and FSU and tell them they have one week to accept the same or they are calling Clemson and G-Tech. Would love watching something like this play out! (even if it could never happen)
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You shouldn't drink so heavily this early on a Wednesday. Beyond increased travel costs, I can't imagine the Bix XII could offer those 4 schools anything more than they're currently projected to get from the ACC. Factor in that Notre Dame signed the grant of rights too, and this hypothetical goes from improbable to inconceivable.

Can we just call the CFB playoffs a failed experiment and go back to the old bowl system?

SD Buff said:
Big XII will end up getting left out after the CCGs and end up elevating a couple more glorified JUCOs in UCF and Cincinnati.

From phone
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Through UConn, Navy, Army and South Florida in the discussion too.
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A failed experiment? How so? Best regular season this sport has seen in a long time.
 
hokiehead said:
You shouldn't drink so heavily this early on a Wednesday. Beyond increased travel costs, I can't imagine the Bix XII could offer those 4 schools anything more than they're currently projected to get from the ACC. Factor in that Notre Dame signed the grant of rights too, and this hypothetical goes from improbable to inconceivable.

Can we just call the CFB playoffs a failed experiment and go back to the old bowl system?



Through UConn, Navy, Army and South Florida in the discussion too.
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1) Old bowl system will never come back
2) That "Big 12" alignment isn't much worse than the current Big1G and actually provides some balance to the current Big 12 set up
2) The current ACC is a marriage of convenience in the worst possible way - easily the most ripe for picking. What I don't know is if they donated their TV rights over x period of time to the conference - that could be a near term show stopper.
 
fervorfactor said:
The conspiracy is on. Per sports news, the criteria for the committee is:
- Conference Championships
- Strength of Schedule
- Head to head games
- Pay no attention to AP or other polls.

It's early and CCGs are still to be played but things don't smell right. I listened to Jeff Long (head of the committee) tonight on ESecPN and he mentioned a criteria of beating rated teams. The committee didn't meet until October 28th so to what rated teams is he referencing? The SEC will get one, the PAC will get one (Oregon or ASU), FSU will be there unless they lose and either TCU or Baylor will probably make it. The Baylor/TCU debate is interesting. If its head to head, Baylor needs to be ahead of TCU. The SEC could be problematic, if UGA comes out in the SEC championship game and wins, the SEC might not get an entry. I think the selection committee isn't, or yet, living by their mantra. There will always be bitching.
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The SEC will have a team in the playoff, and possibly 2, unless Alabama absolutely lays the wood to Mississippi State and then loses to Georgia. If UGA wins the SEC and MSU is sitting there with one close loss, its really hard to argue any combination of Baylor, TCU, or Ohio State over them.........
 
Highlander said:
1) Old bowl system will never come back
2) That "Big 12" alignment isn't much worse than the current Big1G and actually provides some balance to the current Big 12 set up
2) The current ACC is a marriage of convenience in the worst possible way - easily the most ripe for picking. What I don't know is if they donated their TV rights over x period of time to the conference - that could be a near term show stopper.
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1) you're right.

2) I don't think any of those schools would be lured to leave the ACC to the XII because it improves the XII.


2) Don't get the 'marriage of convenience' comment at all. Academically, the schools are well aligned (outside of Louisville, who claims to be dedicated to improving). Geographically, the ACC makes more sense than any other P5 conference except the B1G: ND makes sense with Louisville and BC will make sense if/when UConn joins.

the ACC GoR goes through 2026. and all 15 schools signed; ND can't join another conference without either breaking that contract, which is certainly possible, or giving up their TV rights, which is inconceivable.

if the ACC is going to be poached, it'll be done by the SEC (they'd love FSU, UNC and VT) or the B1G (I think they'd love to have GIT, UVA, ND and UNC).

That being said, if you want to continue this, PM me. I'm trying not to hijack AB threads with ACC talk anymore ;)
 
I don't really like the idea of the Big 12 going to 16 teams. That puts the Pac-12 at a competitive disadvantage with the added challenge of being boxed out geographically. As much as I just want the Pac to stay at 12 teams and never ever ever add any schools from the old Big 12 South, what would suck more would be the Pac picking up ****houses like UNLV and SDSU just to get to 16 teams.
 
hokiehead said:
1) you're right.

2) I don't think any of those schools would be lured to leave the ACC to the XII because it improves the XII.


2) Don't get the 'marriage of convenience' comment at all. Academically, the schools are well aligned (outside of Louisville, who claims to be dedicated to improving). Geographically, the ACC makes more sense than any other P5 conference except the B1G: ND makes sense with Louisville and BC will make sense if/when UConn joins.

the ACC GoR goes through 2026. and all 15 schools signed; ND can't join another conference without either breaking that contract, which is certainly possible, or giving up their TV rights, which is inconceivable.

if the ACC is going to be poached, it'll be done by the SEC (they'd love FSU, UNC and VT) or the B1G (I think they'd love to have GIT, UVA, ND and UNC).

That being said, if you want to continue this, PM me. I'm trying not to hijack AB threads with ACC talk anymore ;)
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I didn't realize the ACC teams had given up TV GoR thru 2026. I knew the B12 did. That changes everything in terms of near term stability. (my bad)

I do believe at some point we are going to end up with 4 conferences of 64 teams, 16 teams each. With a pod and playoff system, all current P5 teams would benefit from the $$ involved. Ironically enough, the current P5 structure has exactly 64 teams. This is probably bad politically. Stupid in fighting about which conference gets dissolved will ultimately delay what benefits all current teams.

I would put the over/under at 20 years before the inevitable and right thing happens.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
It's highly unlikely the SEC would add members from their current footprint of states
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This is true for all conferences. More about gaining new eyes than anything else. This is why the SEC needs to stay together for their own good, and traditional powers like OU have a very weird seat in the new world.
 
Highlander said:
This is true for all conferences. More about gaining new eyes than anything else. This is why the SEC needs to stay together for their own good, and traditional powers like OU have a very weird seat in the new world.
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The thing about OU is they would have to bring OSU with them if they were to go anywhere
 
Highlander said:
How do you view OU and OSU in the new world revolving around TV markets?
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I don't have any numbers to back this up but I'd certainly think they would bring a hell of a lot more eyeballs to the screen than teams like Maryland or Rutgers despite those teams being in major markets.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
I don't have any numbers to back this up but I'd certainly think they would bring a hell of a lot more eyeballs to the screen than teams like Maryland or Rutgers despite those teams being in major markets.
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Check again. Not trying to be a dick, but without even looking it up I can certify the states of Maryland and New Jersey have wildly higher populations than Oklahoma.

You can argue real life Saturday viewership trends all day long, but that has not been what has driven TV negotiations.
 
Highlander said:
Check again. Not trying to be a dick, but without even looking it up I can certify the states of Maryland and New Jersey have wildly higher populations than Oklahoma.

You can argue real life Saturday viewership trends all day long, but that has not been what has driven TV negotiations.
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But do those populations actually watch the terps & knights?

It's all speculation, but my guess is that 6+ OU games annually draw larger tv audiences in MD & NJ than all but maybe 1 or 2 MD & Rutgers games. And the one or two games where MD & Rutgers draw comparable ratings has more to do with the opposition (tOSU, PSU) than with them.

Just because a team is located in a state does not mean a lot of people in those states watch their games on TV.

Hell, I live in Maryland and I watch more OU games than MD games, and I know I'm not alone in that...
 
skibum said:
But do those populations actually watch the terps & knights?

It's all speculation, but my guess is that 6+ OU games annually draw larger tv audiences in MD & NJ than all but maybe 1 or 2 MD & Rutgers games. And the one or two games where MD & Rutgers draw comparable ratings has more to do with the opposition (tOSU, PSU) than with them.

Just because a team is located in a state does not mean a lot of people in those states watch their games on TV.

Hell, I live in Maryland and I watch more OU games than MD games, and I know I'm not alone in that...
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Violent agreement here. To my knowledge, the value baseline for TV agreements is the size of the markets of the conference teams, not historical viewership rates, which is would seem the more logical metric to use.
 
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