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Conference Expansion - Big 12 is a tire fire
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Sideburn
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I agree, they'd fit in perfectly. It would be great watching uTerus try to take the power away...and then when they did, cause...Texas, then we could sit back and watch the SEC get demolished from the inside too. Maybe that is what we should do. Every few years release Texas on an unsuspecting conference to lay waste to. Can't beat em, destroy em!
I'm of the opinion that the land thieves and uTerus should go to the $ec.
Somewhere down deep, I do have a slight sympathy for the dirt burglars being led around by uTerus, but then I just remember all the cheating they've gotten away with over the years and the large amount of slack jawed yokels that love that team and it goes away. Right now I'm enjoying the cannibalism that's going on between Bosworth, Stoops, and Sooner nation.
This. UW's one loss team that year would have shredded the Mormons. Travesty.
BuffLuke80
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How much say so do the Pac-12 Universities have on expansion? Surely they vote on it or something?
Expansion only occurs if the University Presidents vote to allow it. So they have all of the say.
BuffLuke80
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Gotcha. Wasn't exactly sure of the process.
The result is simple and painful for Longhorn fans -- Texas is trying to apply a 1991 business plan to a 2014 cable and satellite universe, the equivalent of running an offense that can't throw the football in today's spread offensive era. The Longhorns gambled that individual brands mattered in a conference era. They were sorely mistaken. As a result the fleeing members of the Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri are going to end up making more money off the Longhorn Network than Texas is. If Texas doesn't start the Longhorn Network all of those schools probably stay in the Big 12 and make much less money. Instead, they bolted and will end up better off than Texas will.
The ultimate and crushing irony of the Longhorn Network for Texas fans? It's going to end up making more money for hated rival Texas A&M than it is for Texas. Link
I believe ND gets about $15m per year from NBC for 7 home games which provide about 28-32 hours of programming content. I tried to find a chart that shows what NBC is getting in terms of ratings but could not.
I don't buy the line about individual brands not being important in a conference era. if that was the case, Notre Dame's brand would be worthless and Vanderbilt's would be valued equally with Alabama's.The result is simple and painful for Longhorn fans -- Texas is trying to apply a 1991 business plan to a 2014 cable and satellite universe, the equivalent of running an offense that can't throw the football in today's spread offensive era. The Longhorns gambled that individual brands mattered in a conference era. They were sorely mistaken. As a result the fleeing members of the Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri are going to end up making more money off the Longhorn Network than Texas is. If Texas doesn't start the Longhorn Network all of those schools probably stay in the Big 12 and make much less money. Instead, they bolted and will end up better off than Texas will.
The ultimate and crushing irony of the Longhorn Network for Texas fans? It's going to end up making more money for hated rival Texas A&M than it is for Texas. Link
I believe ND gets about $15m per year from NBC for 7 home games which provide about 28-32 hours of programming content. I tried to find a chart that shows what NBC is getting in terms of ratings but could not.
Agreed. The LHN's problem is that it has little desirable content of a team that finished with a losing record the past 2 years (and probably will again).
Did you actually read the column? The guy points out- accurately- the fact that one school doesn't move the dial enough to make a network profitable. It's not so much a matter of following, but a matter of content. No school has enough content to fill a network schedule. UT will have one or two games actually televised on the LHN this year. What's the network supposed to do for the other 5,000 hours?
LHN was another in a long line of arrogant and self serving moves by UT that has effectively killed their conference. Their hubris won't allow them to give it up, so eventually they'll be independent. Once the ESPN contract expires, the LHN will drop off the face of the earth, and UT will be in a world of hurt. No network, no conference, and no cash flow.
I did read it. The statement with which I took with issue was not explicitly referring to the LHN, nor was I.
I stand by the notion that individual school's brand still matter and don't dispute your comments about the relative success of the LHN.
Edit: more concisely, "individual brands don't matter" and "an individual school's brand is insufficient to justify an entire network" are two very different statements.
Ok. But the entire context of the column was about networks. I'm not sure how you can make the distinction you're making within the context of the column itself.
somebody
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Show games from the past, you know, where their fans live.
Sideburn
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They do. I think the 05 Championship game has been shown as many times as the clip show for Seinfeld.
And here is where the rationale for the PAC works.
Notre Dame joining the PAC would get more than they are currently getting from NBC. You could argue that they may renegotiate to a higher amount but NBC has indicated that they aren't interested in going a lot higher.
The fact that ND though can alone carry a national broadcast TV network contract says that they have enough pull with the viewing public to force carriers to pick up the PAC 12 network.
They are one of the only options out there that could take a full revenue share from the PAC12 and still increase the value for each of the teams including them.
All is simply speculation.
ACC would have the lead because of the current agreement and the ACC would let them call some shots ala Texas in the B12
B1G because they have the money and geography is in their favor.
PAC would be an interesting choice though because of the long history with PAC schools.
one of the few posts you've made on the subject of conference realignment that I agree with 100%
yep, the ACC has already demonstrated that they're willing to bend over for the Irish
many who closely follow realignment will say that Notre Dame and the B1G have burned bridges and that the Irish would no longer be interested in the B1G, but I don't buy it.
ND is not joining the Pac12. If ND joins a conference in football it will be the ACC.
CVilleBuff
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With the current agreement and their other sports already well integrated, it's very hard to see how the ACC wouldn't be the choice (though I doubt they join as a full member)
People die and/or retire. The people who replace them usually approach things with a different outlook.
I.e. I agree with you.
CVBuff
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Notre Dame can join whatever conference they want and thinks will add the most prestigious lineup to its schedule. Hopefully it will be the PAC 12. As a private school with high academic standards, they seem to match up well with the PAC12. They do not have the academic and honor code limitations of BYU, so distasteful to many members of the PAC 12. ND makes tons of money. During football season, ND makes more in "sweat shirt" sales in a month then BYU gets from ESPN. SL tribune reported that the BYU ESPN contract is around $4-5 million. ND travels far better than BYU. Many, many Mormons either don't like BYU or are indifferent. And, despite some opinions otherwise, BYU with its current honor code policies is toxic for any P5 due to inevitable law suits and protests. BYU may escape legal jeopardy for its discriminatory Honor Code policies by depending on a religious exemption, but it is an exemption not granted to conferences. Not by choice, but BYU is an independent, likely for a long, long time. I do think conference affiliation would help ND and will likely happen with the next shake up. Hopefully, the PAC 12 will be proactive.
FlatironsBuff
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And it's not like they will stop playing Sanford and USC no matter what conference they join. No need to come out for 5 road trips when they can maintain one a year to Cali.
BuffLuke80
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How cool would it be to kick Notre Dame's ass in Folsom though?
SIAP, but see the link below for a really long and detailed history of the first couple of rounds of B12 realignment from the Mizzou perspective (which means it somewhat downplays Mizzou's initial destabilization of the league by flirting with the B10 and may play up Texas's role). One of the few pieces I've seen to get quotes on what was going on in the B12 boardroom meetings and a pretty good piece of journalism for an article originating from a Rivals site. It has a few interesting nuggets, including:
It really does make you question if Texas is even capable of being a in a league they can't run as their own fiefdom. I'm not sure the extra money would be worth the headache.
- Colorado made it clear to the rest of the league we were gone regardless when Beebe held the first "come to Jesus" meeting to see if they could hold the league together.
- The TV folks seemed to know that the LHN was going to have to be treated as a "loss leader" but at the time ESPN was apparently worried about losing all the P16 / Texas rights to Fox. As previously assumed Texas seemed mostly concerned about the themselves, and consistently acted that way.
- The rest of the league knew or believed that Texas and Oklahoma had unspoken agreements that weren't necessarily in writing but the rest of the conference was expected to adhere to, and those tended to favor the southwestern schools.
- Loftin (at TAMU at the time) really seems to have disliked Dodds and the Texas administration.
- Texas, TAMU and Colorado were really the only schools that fit the academic profile the P12 was looking for, so it apparently took some work to get the P10 to agree to the other schools (its been assumed this was the case but this confirms it).
- Boren's grandstanding in the press was perceived as not helpful by his peers.
It really does make you question if Texas is even capable of being a in a league they can't run as their own fiefdom. I'm not sure the extra money would be worth the headache.
Ya think? Texas is pure evil. We dont want them in the pac12, ever.
What about San Diego State as an option? It certainly fits the geographic profile. I don't know anything about their academics but they could probably get up to speed athletically to be competitive. Selfishly I'd rather not go east.