Yep. Apple tv has great content outside of this too. I’d happily pay 10$/month for Apple tv with all their great shows and football. To your point, I probably already pay more than that for cnn, Fox News, msnbc, etc. all channels I never watch. I pay a lot to watch the nuggets avs and football…I understand the narrative around overall distribution right now. However, I totally agree that this is so easy from a customer perspective. You pay $5.99 (or $8.99 if that’s the bump) per month and get all the Apple content, including the PAC 12.
If the games are on ESPN, you have to pay anywhere from $40 to $90 per month in a bundle, with a bunch of crap that nobody wants (like Fox News).
From the responses, clearly there is a schism between linear TV holdouts and streamers. I think you linear tv holdouts are bat **** crazy.
I understand the narrative around overall distribution right now. However, I totally agree that this is so easy from a customer perspective. You pay $5.99 (or $8.99 if that’s the bump) per month and get all the Apple content, including the PAC 12.
If the games are on ESPN, you have to pay anywhere from $40 to $90 per month in a bundle, with a bunch of crap that nobody wants (like Fox News).
From the responses, clearly there is a schism between linear TV holdouts and streamers. I think you linear tv holdouts are bat **** crazy.
Or $99 per year, which is $8.25 per month, so I overstated at $8.99 per month. It’s cheaper!In the case of MLS it's an extra $14.99 per month, so I'm sure there would be an extra charge for Pac10 football as well.
Apple and Major League Soccer announce MLS Season Pass launches February 1, 2023
MLS Season Pass will launch February 1, 2023, introducing an unprecedented subscription service to fans in over 100 countries and regions.www.apple.com
Did sports bars not show the Amazon TNF games?
Serious question, where do you have these streaming problems? In the past 12 months, I’ve been to Vinalhaven Maine (an island in the Atlantic), Rolletown Bahamas which really lacks paved roads and doctors, and a hunting camp outside of Eulala Alabama and could stream with zero issues in each of these places.not everyone has fast enough internet to even view a game plus sports bars etc will not have it at all
Or $99 per year, which is $8.25 per month, so I overstated at $8.99 per month. It’s cheaper!
I just bought the MLS package so now I’m even more curious about the quality of Apple TV. I do worry about the PAC being a separate package, I don’t know what the market is for the conference alone. It seems like the best hope would be for it to be in some sort of sports package that includes MLB, MLS, PAC games and whatever else Apple hopefully adds to their inventory.
I think everything you say is valid. I also think there is value in partnering with Apple TV (the best streaming service imo). They have half of the subscribers in their first few years as cable does. I think being part of their sports package will be great as it continues to grow. I’m also an Apple fan boy, so keep that in mind.When the Pac 12N was blacked out on DTV, a large portion of bars didn’t carry it. Over time, many in Colorado got Comcast as well as DTV and it became less of an issue, but if people think bars (and households) in Florida, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, etc are going to subscribe to Apple TV just to have access to Pac 10 football, I think we’re in for a rude awakening.
I’d love to be proven wrong, but I just think this is one area where it’s not best to be first to market. If the deal was for 2 years with an option for a big increase based on traffic and subscriber increase, I would be intrigued. I’m just skeptical about the exposureI think everything you say is valid. I also think there is value in partnering with Apple TV (the best streaming service imo). They have half of the subscribers in their first few years as cable does. I think being part of their sports package will be great as it continues to grow. I’m also an Apple fan boy, so keep that in mind.
It’s definitely not the best to be first to market. It’s just the situation the pac seems to be in. But, if it has to be first to an emerging market, I think Apple is the best partner out there. Tim cook may be the best ceo in the world and apple consistently puts out great products and services.I’d love to be proven wrong, but I just think this is one area where it’s not best to be first to market. If the deal was for 2 years with an option for a big increase based on traffic and subscriber increase, I would be intrigued. I’m just skeptical about the exposure
Nope. Had to show Orange Glo infomercials for three straight hours.Did sports bars not show the Amazon TNF games?
Quit polishing a turd.In case anyone is really wondering about bars carrying content on streaming services, they do. Well, if the bar is one of the highly select 300,000.
Amazon and DirecTV partner on 'Thursday Night Football'
Amazon’s “TNF” broadcasts will be available to more than 300,000 sports bars, restaurants, retail stores, hotel lounges, casinos and sports books across the UStechcrunch.com
MLS games available in bars and restaurants via DirecTV deal
Major League Soccer has announced that MLS games are available in bars and restaurants across the United States of America and Canada as the new season kicks off on February 25, 2023. Thanks to Apple's MLS Season Pass, DIRECTV Business will cover the action from the new season over 300,000...worldsoccertalk.com
Why? Exposure?It would be better to have the PAC sign a contract with The Hallmark Channel or The Weather Channel than Apple TV.
This is bad.
I don’t understand how stating facts elicits that response.Quit polishing a turd.
NFL Sunday ticket is also a streaming product now. Again, not always the best to be first in a new market, but it’s the hand the pac 12 dealt itself, so might as well embrace it. As a fan and customer I’m excited.I would add that Disney itself through CEO Bob Igor has stated that they expect ESPN will be a streaming only service at some point in the future. He has stated the inflection point is when the number of households getting it through a bundle service falls below 50 million homes. Presently, the number for ESPN sits at 74 million homes, with an annual subscriber loss of 8 million per year. I do not know if that burn will slow or speed up or remain constant. But it is conceivable that ESPN could pierce that 50 million number within three years.
The few things that will be on legacy broadcast networks will soon be talk shows, game shows, reruns, and unscripted TV (aka reality shows), because they are all incredibly cheap to produce.
I don’t understand how stating facts elicits that response.
I’d be excited about the possibilities if the Pac got a deal from YouTube to go along with Sunday TicketNFL Sunday ticket is also a streaming product now. Again, not always the best to be first in a new market, but it’s the hand the pac 12 dealt itself, so might as well embrace it. As a fan and customer I’m excited.
**** yes.Why? Exposure?
Rumor is that the Linear offers only wants 1 game a weekend. The best game in the conference too. Fox is full. ABC/ESPN too. They only wanted us for 10pm ET kickoffs. NBC has exitied college football completely sans Notre Dame. CBS has one foot out the door now too. Both likely deeming it too expensive. The big TV players got their content, their super ratings matchups, and were not included. Were not getting an invite for another 5 years too. You might not like it but thats the way it is.All I can do is laugh.
This is so so bad. Worse than the PAC12 Network bad.
Maybe streaming is the future but the future isn't now. Linear broadcasting is the way right this instant and isn't going away anytime soon.
Christ ! Get the **** out of the dead man walking PAC and join the BIG12 NOW !!
What are your metrics for exposure? Hard to believe and Apple TV deal would give less exposure than the Pac 12 Network. I agree, in the present conditions Apple TV would not give the exposure that Big Noon Kickoff on Fox gives, but it's a major step forward from where they are now and to me is the future of sports watching.**** yes.
Exposure is king right now.
I'll be shocked if Oregon and/or Washington agree to this.
Serious question, where do you have these streaming problems? In the past 12 months, I’ve been to Vinalhaven Maine (an island in the Atlantic), Rolletown Bahamas which really lacks paved roads and doctors, and a hunting camp outside of Eulala Alabama and could stream with zero issues in each of these places.
Dude, CBS is just as in as they’ve ever been, they just now with the B1G instead of SEC, and NBC also increased their CFB presence by going in with the B1G. The point remains that the linear networks are now full since Fox is no longer interested in the Pac 10, though.Rumor is that Linear offers only wants 1 game a weekend. The best game in the conference too. Fox is full. ABC/ESPN too. They only wanted us for 10pm ET kickoffs. NBC has exitied college football completely sans Notre Dame. CBS has one foot out the door now too. Were not getting an invite for another 5 years. The big players got their content, their super ratings matchups, and were not included. You might not like it but thats the way it is.
Dollars to doughnuts. If it comes down to Amazon broadcasting all games, even for slightly less then everyone else, Id take the eye ball count.
Ive been warning you all for awhile that the future of TV will be fractured begind the paywalls of numerous streaming services.
I'd rather go Big12 with eye balls on ESPN and FOX than Apple TV.What are your metrics for exposure? Hard to believe and Apple TV deal would give less exposure than the Pac 12 Network. I agree, in the present conditions Apple TV would not give the exposure that Big Noon Kickoff on Fox gives, but it's a major step forward from where they are now and to me is the future of sports watching.
I think Coach Prime is the biggest example in college football of using alternatives to build his program without traditional network support (well off media, amazon prime docuseries, etc). My totally homer take right now is a Coach Prime led CU team is the most valuable property in the conference in terms of drawing eyeballs. We see evidence of this with Brandon Baker's CU recruiting visit videos getting 5x the views of the Oregon visit or (dumb example I know) CU's Barstool account having the most followers of any Barstool account in the conference. I would be very interested to see how Apple could capitalize on what CP already brings.
The issue is that being better than the Pac 12 Network is not the bar they need to clear. And with the current deal, the marquee Pac games are still on Fox or ESPN/ABC (or ESPN2 or FS1). The rest of the content was P12N, so it was essentially the same exposure as every other conference for the most part.What are your metrics for exposure? Hard to believe and Apple TV deal would give less exposure than the Pac 12 Network. I agree, in the present conditions Apple TV would not give the exposure that Big Noon Kickoff on Fox gives, but it's a major step forward from where they are now and to me is the future of sports watching.
I think Coach Prime is the biggest example in college football of using alternatives to build his program without traditional network support (well off media, amazon prime docuseries, etc). My totally homer take right now is a Coach Prime led CU team is the most valuable property in the conference in terms of drawing eyeballs. We see evidence of this with Brandon Baker's CU recruiting visit videos getting 5x the views of the Oregon visit or (dumb example I know) CU's Barstool account having the most followers of any Barstool account in the conference. I would be very interested to see how Apple could capitalize on what CP already brings.