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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

It’s too bad no one who went to Stanford realizes they have a football team.
No ****. Imagine their value if people cared when they were rolling off pac 12 titles a few years ago. I think they could have gotten almost any recruit they wanted in those years.
 
The problem with merging the Pac 10 and Big 12 is that anything less $1B/year for that conference and it doesn’t matter. Even at $1B/year, spread across 22 teams, that’s $45m/year per team when the B1G and SEC will be around $100m/each.

A full on merger of conferences would need media revenue to come in somewhere around $2B/year for the conference of 22 programs to come remotely close to what the B1G and SEC are getting and we know that’s not going to happen.
All that also assumes this merged conference opts for equal revenue sharing. That’s not how the Big12 works today and was a major issue when we left for the Pac12 if I remember correctly. It helps that Texas and Oklahoma aren’t around to bully the conference, but CU will be in such a terrible bargaining position, would it surprise anyone if we end up with a lesser revenue share in this new conference?
 
I’m sure ESPN is telling them here is what “X program” is worth per year and the SEC can then decide if it makes sense for other reasons to dilute the revenue

Plus I think they’d rather have some programs be with rather than potentially against them.
 
All that also assumes this merged conference opts for equal revenue sharing. That’s not how the Big12 works today and was a major issue when we left for the Pac12 if I remember correctly. It helps that Texas and Oklahoma aren’t around to bully the conference, but CU will be in such a terrible bargaining position, would it surprise anyone if we end up with a lesser revenue share in this new conference?

That’s a very valid point not just in regards to CU but concerning the overall future of college football. I keep making the analogies with European football and that’s another one. The big and successful teams may well start pushing for a revenue sharing formula which sees their success and contribution reflected more. Which might seem fair but will only make the recent developments we’ve seen in college football worse and in addition with the playoff lead to economic imbalances within conferences which will be impossible to overcome long term.
 
All that also assumes this merged conference opts for equal revenue sharing. That’s not how the Big12 works today and was a major issue when we left for the Pac12 if I remember correctly. It helps that Texas and Oklahoma aren’t around to bully the conference, but CU will be in such a terrible bargaining position, would it surprise anyone if we end up with a lesser revenue share in this new conference?
I would actually be surprised at that in a conference like a newly reshaped Big 12. I don’t see any of those programs as being substantially more valuable or having significantly better ratings for most games to the point where an uneven rev share is prudent.

It takes a blue blood type of program to be able to make that kind of stipulation and there isn’t one with that kind of clout
 
I would actually be surprised at that in a conference like a newly reshaped Big 12. I don’t see any of those programs as being substantially more valuable or having significantly better ratings for most games to the point where an uneven rev share is prudent.

It takes a blue blood type of program to be able to make that kind of stipulation and there isn’t one with that kind of clout

Maybe not in a B/P12 merger but I am 95% certain we will see such a development in the SEC/B1G in the not too distant future.

The big programs will use their leverage to squeeze every last drop out of the current system and situation and try to shape the rules to their requirements and demands until the camel's back ultimately breaks, which is when they do their own thing. They are going to use that threat and the leverage that comes with it until the very last second.
 
Maybe not in a B/P12 merger but I am 95% certain we will see such a development in the SEC/B1G in the not too distant future.

The big programs will use their leverage to squeeze every last drop out of the current system and situation and try to shape the rules to their requirements and demands until the camel's back ultimately breaks, which is when they do their own thing. They are going to use that threat and the leverage that comes with it until the very last second.
Yeah I have to think Vanderbilt, Miss State, Rutgers, Maryland, etc are potentially taking less in the new deal
 
Well, if CU had invested in football and not stepped on its own dick over and over and had fielded a competitive football program and added sports instead of deleting to the bare minimum, we’d be a hot commodity. But now we are considered to be a bottom feeder program.

If we had have had Big 10 or SEC type of money, we would very likely not be in this mess. A competitive CU would be a hot commodity.

But our administration, from President to Regents, do not value athletics and have no vision for success. All it would’ve taken was a vision and an investment and CU would be a Top 25 program.

Now we are mere bottom feeders.
 
Well, if CU had invested in football and not stepped on its own dick over and over and had fielded a competitive football program and added sports instead of deleting to the bare minimum, we’d be a hot commodity. But now we are considered to be a bottom feeder program.

If we had have had Big 10 or SEC type of money, we would very likely not be in this mess. A competitive CU would be a hot commodity.

But our administration, from President to Regents, do not value athletics and have no vision for success. All it would’ve taken was a vision and an investment and CU would be a Top 25 program.

Now we are mere bottom feeders.

Meh. Oregon, Washington, and Stanford invested in athletics--they still got left behind.
 
Same with Utah. I’m not convinced a competitive CU program is in a different position than they find themselves today w/r/t desirability for a conference. On the flip side, UCLA has been completely irrelevant in football for a long time.

I assume USC was driving the train and insisted on UCLA coming along.
 
For now. The point is that CU has put themselves in a weak position.

And the counterpoint is that CU's position owes less to how good the football team has been over the last generation and more to geography and institutional issues. **** Baylor has been very good at athletics recently--are they getting snapped up by the SEC or B1G?
 
Yeah I have to think Vanderbilt, Miss State, Rutgers, Maryland, etc are potentially taking less in the new deal
Vanderbilt’s primary value is as the only private school in the SEC which I think allows the conference to conceal some of their financials. Not sure that warrants an equal share but it’s something Miss State and others don’t have. Northwestern was same for the BIG until USC joins. It also means if Stanford were to bolt for the BIG the Pac (if it tried to survive) would probably try to add a private school.
 
Vanderbilt’s primary value is as the only private school in the SEC which I think allows the conference to conceal some of their financials. Not sure that warrants an equal share but it’s something Miss State and others don’t have. Northwestern was same for the BIG until USC joins. It also means if Stanford were to bolt for the BIG the Pac (if it tried to survive) would probably try to add a private school.
Why is that important?
 
Same with Utah. I’m not convinced a competitive CU program is in a different position than they find themselves today w/r/t desirability for a conference. On the flip side, UCLA has been completely irrelevant in football for a long time.

We’ll see what happens to UW. I think that’s the best comparison. The only real difference is the last decade and a half or so where they made two good hires with Sarkisian and Peterson when we botched them with Hawkins and Embree and they showed more institutional support and also vastly upgraded their stadium.

If they get left behind we’d have been ****ed either way. If they don’t we killed CU football in the last 15 years or so.
 
stanford's investment in athletics are not driven by the same factors as any other power conference team. have you guys been to the stanford campus. every men's and women's sport has dedicated facilities. it is freaking gorgeous. empty and soulless and devoid of winners usually, but still impressive.

revenue generation is not a factor in the investments they made in their sports programs.

cal on the other hand is a public school and likes to trip over itself, much like CU.

i think i might dress up in one of those handmaiden's tale costumes for the first cal at baylor game.
 
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