You're talking about something entirely different than what the NCAA is proposing and what this conversation is based on.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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CFB future will be what ESPN and Fox say it will be. I have a gut feeling CU will not be invited to that party. I'm still going to watch this team each Saturday. Though, I do hope we get no more repeats of 2022. That year almost broke me as a fan.
The west just isn't into CFB like the south and rustbelt.
The west just isn't into CFB like the south and rustbelt.
Fair.
Here’s a question. Would you want CU to do what Nicole is proposing? We can’t keep up with the top tier programs as currently constructed. We simply are not a major player in CFB.
you're probably right
where my head was going was that this new proposal would cost those schools additional money, and even though it would likely lead to higher revenue downstream, the political process of funding universities would drive many schools to whatever the next level down will be.
and I can private schools like SMU, Duke and Johns Hopkins thinking "we can buy our way into this!"
it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
No, just focus on Basketball or add Hockey
If you are not going to be a National Top Player in Football, it is not worth having a team anymore in the long run
Step up or Step out
CU as an institution definitely has the money to field a nationally competitive football program, if the University is allowed to fund it and decides it wants to. It's the athletic donor base that pales in comparison. So if that was the decision by the University, yes, I'd love for them to do it.
The bolded is pretty important. So I don’t think CU can ever be on the same level as the top 10-15 programs.
2002
The networks, B1G, and $EC will not cede any power. We will get a Super League. It just won’t be this utopian vision you’ve imagined.
It depends on how everything is set up. At that point, I'd just like to see a salary cap of whatever, $10-$12m/year, that can be spent any way a team wants that's backed by the school and NIL collectives outlawed. Players hire agents who find legitimate NIL deals for extra comp. One governing body, one set of rules, equal scheduling model, etc. It's all moving to an NFL system and the top 8-10 programs are going to have to come to grips with the fact that they need more competitive balance if they want to actually make it work like this.
If that's the system, hell yes I want CU in it. If it's something different where there's still no rules, comp limits, etc. then yeah I probably agree with you, that CU would be better off just being part of the second tier league that is like the current G5 landscape.
I agree with all of this.
I don’t think paragraph one will happen because the NCAA is more of a disaster than the last 20 years of CU football.
personally, I go with 1998 - the first year of the conferences cooperating to create a consensus natty system (the BCS)
Either way, it's been a long, slow crawl towards the death of something I love
What is to stop the under-the-table payments from coming back into play once something like that is instituted?
don't worry, the chances of Alabama, Georgia or Ohio State agreeing to a salary cap are close to 0
Same thing that stops NFL owners from paying guys under the table. One governing body and enforceable rules.
When does Congress or the Courts get involved?
This is COLLEGE athletics turned into the Wild West Russian Sports Federation
Working together would make for a way better product, but the Bullies are just unchecked at this point and frothing at the mouth
Freaking so sad
Oh duh lol. I was thinking of the spineless NCAA being the governing body and doing nothing to stop it.
well, the courts got involved and gave us unregulated NIL...
I expect we'll see more and more politicians get involved in the short term -- it's an easy way to grab headlines -- but I wouldn't count on it getting better as a result
Neither the NCAA or the P2 Conferences can run this thing
I hate the NFL, but they actually understand that they need to run a fair and equitable league and it has benefitted them greatly
I don't know. At this point, I feel like the scenarios being discussed are a hodgepodge of what the NCAA is presenting and the common thought about teams breaking away from NCAA entirely and forming their own league, so who knows how it would shake out.
All I know is there is so much more money to be had in an NFL style league, but it would require more competitive balance while involving more than just 24-30 programs.
Someone like Yormack hopefully can make that clear to everyone, because if Alabama was playing everyone else that is good in any one given year, they might have 4-5 losses instead of having a balanced schedule with enough probably wins to be the goliath they want to be.
The SEC teams and teams like Nebraska can look back at their 50-year winning percentages and thank the likes of all those body bag games for that success
BerkeleyBuff
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I could see it ending up as:
Tier 1: teams that can pay whatever the hell they want (Bama, Texas, OSU, etc. - maybe the 24 schools or so)
Tier 2: Opt-in to the 30k or somesuch division (CU ends up here, along with much of the current P5 and some G5)
Tier 3: No pay. Many G5 schools, maybe some upper FCS move up.
Has to be more than 24-30 schools. Otherwise you get NFL style parity and schools like Alabama and Texas aren’t interested in parity. Double your figure and then you are on to something.
The schools are not in charge. ESPN and Fox are.
BerkeleyBuff
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I don't think that's quite right. If two alternate scenarios are
1) a 24 team league made up of schools who can pretty much pay in the same ballpark as each other, meaning Bama/ Texas have a 1/24 chance of winning the title...
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2) a 48 team league where the same 24 can still pay as much as each other, so Bama/ Texas still have a 1/24 chance, but they also play against teams they feel are "tagalongs" who are riding on their coattails and who will occasionally win a game that keeps them from a title....
Then Bama and Texas take option 1 all day every day.
They all have to work together. ESPN and FOX can put up the money, but the programs and conferences themselves have to agree. There will be give and take, which is why I believe there will be concessions on both sides. FOX and ESPN (and CBS, and NBC) will put up significantly more money for an NFL style product, but that will require some competitive balance concessions, IMO
48 is probably a good number, if it includes some subtraction of current B1G/SEC members which don't fit this without their lottery winnings from happening to be in a particular conference for 100 years. If they all are included, we might need to go to 60.
64 is the right number. 12 groups of five teams, geographically disbursed over the country. 14-game season. 4 in-group games, 8 inter regional games, one “rival” game and one game against a lower group team. 16-team playoff. Winners of each group plus four at large teams. Everybody else plays in traditional bowl games. No conferences. One management/oversight entity to govern and negotiate television contracts. Everybody gets the same media payout but keeps whatever game day revenues, merchandising, donations, etc they can manage.