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CU in the Pac-12

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Hasta la Viska
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3-22 overall (I counted CAL '11 which actually makes it look better)

2-11 on the road
1-11 at home

Average defeat=31.16 points
Average victory= 7.667 points

3 losses decided by 2 TD's or less
4 losses decided by less than 25 points
4 losses by deficit in 20's
4 losses by deficit in 30's
5 losses by deficit in 40's
1 loss by 56 points

We are no where near any Pac-12 team right now, and it's not even close. It's time for some serious soul searching at CU. This will be the 3rd year of being an utter embarrassment
 
What's your solution? What kind of soul searching do you think needs to take place, here? How will "soul searching" help in any way?
 
sackman said:
What's your solution? What kind of soul searching do you think needs to take place, here? How will "soul searching" help in any way?
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I have no facking idea. Whatever we're doing, it's not working. It's a pattern now.... the lost decade of CU football :sigh:
 
Our problem is that the rest of the Pac 12 got a lot better over the last two years, while we regressed significantly. The rest of the conference will continue to get better, too. That means we have to jump over people who are improving. Anybody who thought this was going to be a quick or easy turnaround was kidding themselves. Our hole was - and is - very deep. The level of competition is very high. We are probably looking at a few years of winning all of our OOC games and getting drilled in the conference. Get used to it. No amount of "soul searching" is going to make our competition any worse.
 
We could get away with some things in the slow plodding Big 12 that we can't in the speedy, uptempo Pac 12. The makeup of the athlete has to change or we need to get a lot stronger and play power football like Stanford.

The recipe of hiring ****heads and firing ****heads every 2-3 yrs with a school admin who doesn't truly commit to the sport of football has had a disastrous impact on the program. We need to stabilize and build. Hopefully George/Mac are the guys to get the process started but we need some capital to get people to buy in.
 
Honestly, CU is very much like the pre-Bill Snyder KSU teams of the 1960s. It isn't any better than that. And most of it has to do with the talent level. I do think MM is the right guy at the helm. It would be nice to find a few JUCOs that we could get in the door.
 
PAHIBuff said:
Honestly, CU is very much like the pre-Bill Snyder KSU teams of the 1960s. It isn't any better than that. And most of it has to do with the talent level. I do think MM is the right guy at the helm. It would be nice to find a few JUCOs that we could get in the door.
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Typo, meant 1980s
 
We don't belong in any conference by that rationale. PAC, big, acc, whatever. Seems pointless to make the delineation.
 
I don't know what the answer is, but Phil DeStefano is part of the problem.
 
sliderNcider said:
3-22 overall (I counted CAL '11 which actually makes it look better)

It's time for some serious soul searching at CU. This will be the 3rd year of being an utter embarrassment
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You'll be glad to know Phil was on it well before you thought of it. He soul searched, then fired the guy responsible for getting us into the pac12.
 
Skidmark said:
I don't know what the answer is, but Phil DeStefano is part of the problem.
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This. The answer is having an administration and school willing to commit to an equal playing field for us and the rest of the conference (or at least somewhere near). We are nowhere close to that at this point. Why do they bother with FB when they won't support it? Our admin teaches our students that if you are going to do something don't bother doing it right.
 
Duff Man said:
Maybe someday we will realize we need to recruit like a big boy school.
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You keep saying this but what is your solution? Anyone with eyes and a functioning brain can see that CU doesn't have a lot of PAC12 level talent playing.

I can agree with replacing Neinas with an assistant who has a better (much better) track record of recruiting. Other than that what do you propose?

Do we go SWC and cheat ourselves into sanctions, the NCAA would not treat us like they do some of the more "prominent" teams. Go grab a bunch of Juco kids, even if we loosen admission standards significantly we aren't going to get a lot of JuCo kids in as long as we aren't taking PE credits and other easy credits that don't apply to a CU degree.

Do we go out and get a bunch of highly rated guys that other schools are passing on for character risk or academic questions, that hasn't worked well either.

I want to see us recruit better as well. We have to but like the rest of the changes that have to happen in the program it has to be a process. Let's give M2 a little bit of time to show what he can or can't do before we revert to full scale panic mode.
 
Skidmark said:
I don't know what the answer is, but Phil DeStefano is the root of the problem.
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fify

Failure can almost always be traced to the top.

The petty penny pinching, the failure to support the changing of coaches like Hawkins when it was clear they were failing and the replacement based finding the cheapest solution acceptable, the failure of administration to support fund raising for facilities and in fact to reportedly get in the way of it trying to reduce competition for other pet projects outside of academics are all examples of where the Chancellors office has been an obstacle to success and carries some of the responsibility for the condition of the program right now.

I could tolerate this if the parasite in that office could point to other significant accomplishments in other areas to balance these failings but under his "leadership" has CU moved up in academic prestige, have we expanded significantly our areas of academic offerings while maintaining or improving the exisiting ones. I don't have a lot of direct contact with campus but my impression is that the answer is clearly no.

A huge amount of the future of CU both athletically and otherwise will depend on when DiStephano leaves and who replaces him.
 
MtnBuff said:
You keep saying this but what is your solution? Anyone with eyes and a functioning brain can see that CU doesn't have a lot of PAC12 level talent playing.

I can agree with replacing Neinas with an assistant who has a better (much better) track record of recruiting. Other than that what do you propose?

Do we go SWC and cheat ourselves into sanctions, the NCAA would not treat us like they do some of the more "prominent" teams. Go grab a bunch of Juco kids, even if we loosen admission standards significantly we aren't going to get a lot of JuCo kids in as long as we aren't taking PE credits and other easy credits that don't apply to a CU degree.

Do we go out and get a bunch of highly rated guys that other schools are passing on for character risk or academic questions, that hasn't worked well either.

I want to see us recruit better as well. We have to but like the rest of the changes that have to happen in the program it has to be a process. Let's give M2 a little bit of time to show what he can or can't do before we revert to full scale panic mode.
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On the upcoming JUCO requirements...

New NCAA eligibility standards going into effect in 2015 for JUCOs raises the bar from a 2.0 GPA to a 2.5 GPA and only allows TWO PE credits. LINK

Here is a LINK explaining the practical challenges for HS and JUCOs. Kids who would have been eligible in the past, but not eligible starting in a couple years. This should level the playing field.
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http://colorado.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=422&tid=193031142&mid=193031142&sid=894&style=2

So teams that rely heavily on JUCOs like Arizona State and Utah will be pretty affected by this rule.
 
What about last night made you decide that NOW I the time to soul search?! We have lost three games that we should have lost....and won two that we all thought we could win. Let's see how they perform this weekend with a team they should beat. That's been the problem for so long, we can't even beat the teams we should beat. Last night sucked though, I fought traffic getting into DC and arrived to find a 25-0 score. This will be a process, and I don't expect to see us in bowl contention until 2015/16 at the earliest. Unless we can get Saban?
 
CanadianDuck said:
If it makes you guys feel better the Ducks and Beavers put up some pretty nasty losing streaks in the early Pac-8/10 days. You guys will eventually find a place in the Pac-12 once you find an identity that works for your team.
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We already found our place... :sad:


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It's about valuing recruiting. I don't hear many recruits overwhelmed with our efforts. Plenty of other schools are mentioned as recruiting players hard, CU is rarely mentioned. The CU staff is not lazy, just not acclimated to the new PAC-12 landscape. That HAS to change.
 
Duff Man said:
It's about valuing recruiting. I don't hear many recruits overwhelmed with our efforts. Plenty of other schools are mentioned as recruiting players hard, CU is rarely mentioned. The CU staff is not lazy, just not acclimated to the new PAC-12 landscape. That HAS to change.
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A couple assistants who have successfully recruited at this level should have absolutely been part of this first staff...
 
Right now we don't belong in the PAC 12...not even sure about FBS. We'd be a top 5 FCS team. But here we are.

I'm convinced Mac is the guy, we are just outclassed in talent and facilities. I'm encouraged by our recruiting but this will take 2-3 years to get to .500. Thank God for basketball.
 
We don't belong in FBS, but we will be .500 in 2-3 years. Does spewing non-sense just come natural to you?
 
Paying for some decent recruits would probably be the best course of action. I imagine those channels getting broken during the scandal years, while the other schools got better at it is a rather significant cause for our decline.
 
Duff Man said:
We don't belong in FBS, but we will be .500 in 2-3 years. Does spewing non-sense just come natural to you?
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He convinces himself that people believe he knows what the freak he is talking about. He will probably claim to be an ex football coach, next.
 
We're a top 5 FBS team and with recruiting worse than every P12 school and a talent level significantly lower than every P12 school we'll be at .500 in a couple of years. Makes sense.
 
I don't think there is anything that needs to be "fixed". I think this is just what we are now. You don't try to "fix" a housecat into becoming a lion
 
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