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CU MBB Rankings/NET/KenPom/Bracketology Catch-All

Buffnik said:
Just be glad that ESPN doesn't penalize us when we go on the road and play at sea level. The advantage of high altitude training is like we're blood doping when we don't play at altitude. Really, any CU win should count about half as much as it does for other teams. Only fair.
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That’s where I disagree it’s “fair”. Should KU get less credit for a home win because Phog is a tough place to play by similar subjective measures? The point being there is (IMO) no place for making value judgments like that because it’s a slippery slope
 
Put differently: imagine Green Bay and Buffalo get less credit for a home win because it’s cold and more prone to inclement weather that (in theory) benefits home team (and should Buffalo get less credit when they play Green Bay because Green Bay has same home field advantage?). That would never happen in the NFL. Or that Broncos get less credit because altitude… which home field advantage is more advantageous? What weight do we assign to each? Is the inverse true, that road team gets more credit for playing in Buffalo or Denver?
 
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These are the same BS metrics BCS and now CFP use to promote certain teams. And the argument against is: at some points wins and losses have to matter and let’s not overthink this
 
I was at DIA the other day and noticed people from the east coast had to stop and catch their breath every 50 feet.
 
Buffnik said:
Just be glad that ESPN doesn't penalize us when we go on the road and play at sea level. The advantage of high altitude training is like we're blood doping when we don't play at altitude. Really, any CU win should count about half as much as it does for other teams. Only fair.
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I am actually surprised that an altitude team didn't take the approach of a niche Paul Westhead type team. It would be entertaining basketball, but generally a far lower ceiling (and probably floor) since as soon as you play a legit team, you cannot just out condition them. (Primary reason Westhead's system didn't work in the NBA as everyone was superior athletes).

If I was a small school that struggled to get attendance, this would be an approach I would take, get some excitement, run a few teams out of the gym.

note, maybe Paul Westhead is a bit too extreme, but I am thinking of 1990's/2000's Gary Williams teams at Maryland, they would pressure the other team the entire game, just varying how hard them pressed. It was exciting basketball, also probably more of a reason Turgeon got run out than the actual W/L he was producing.
 
GoBuffs!! said:
I am actually surprised that an altitude team didn't take the approach of a niche Paul Westhead type team. It would be entertaining basketball, but generally a far lower ceiling (and probably floor) since as soon as you play a legit team, you cannot just out condition them. (Primary reason Westhead's system didn't work in the NBA as everyone was superior athletes).

If I was a small school that struggled to get attendance, this would be an approach I would take, get some excitement, run a few teams out of the gym.

note, maybe Paul Westhead is a bit too extreme, but I am thinking of 1990's/2000's Gary Williams teams at Maryland, they would pressure the other team the entire game, just varying how hard them pressed. It was exciting basketball, also probably more of a reason Turgeon got run out than the actual W/L he was producing.
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Nolan Richardson with ARKY too! Defensive press machine.
 
GoBuffs!! said:
I am actually surprised that an altitude team didn't take the approach of a niche Paul Westhead type team. It would be entertaining basketball, but generally a far lower ceiling (and probably floor) since as soon as you play a legit team, you cannot just out condition them. (Primary reason Westhead's system didn't work in the NBA as everyone was superior athletes).

If I was a small school that struggled to get attendance, this would be an approach I would take, get some excitement, run a few teams out of the gym.

note, maybe Paul Westhead is a bit too extreme, but I am thinking of 1990's/2000's Gary Williams teams at Maryland, they would pressure the other team the entire game, just varying how hard them pressed. It was exciting basketball, also probably more of a reason Turgeon got run out than the actual W/L he was producing.
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Nolan Richardson won a national title at Arkansas with 40 minutes of hell.

@GRM beat me to it
 
I know nik was being factitious, but there are pros and cons to being at altitude, especially in a game like bball that is more explosive. yes, visiting teams are gassed in the second half, but they also have the benefit of training at sea level where they can push it harder in the weight room, run faster sprints, and overall deal with less fatigue at practice

I just ran a hilly trail race in the bay area, coming from Denver. my lungs and heart felt great but my muscles cramped up in the last third of the race cause they weren't use to running that fast for that long on those hills
 
torero said:
Nolan Richardson won a national title at Arkansas with 40 minutes of hell.

@GRM beat me to it
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Nolan Richardson/Gary Williams teams are going to do a lot better than the run and gun of Paul Westhead (and both won a Natty)... but I would argue far tougher to implement and very low floor if you don't succeed.

But yes, I would love to see that style of play when Tad does move on (which I hope is no time soon). Its truly the anti-Bzedelik (that was some painful basketball for me to watch)
 
TDforTD said:
Makes me a little nervous that someone who said this:


Is on the tournament selection committee.



So at the end of the day, just win. The conference bracket set up for us to make a run and with a locked in TDS, anything is possible.
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I have no respect for OSU. I never have. They've always been a G5 level school that was forced upon everyone by being dragged along side big brother Oregon. I hope the PAC2 rots and dies and they end up playing basketball in the WCC and football in the WAC.

I do hope Wazzu elevates itself and thrives. They're cool in my book.
 
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GoBuffs!! said:
I am actually surprised that an altitude team didn't take the approach of a niche Paul Westhead type team. It would be entertaining basketball, but generally a far lower ceiling (and probably floor) since as soon as you play a legit team, you cannot just out condition them. (Primary reason Westhead's system didn't work in the NBA as everyone was superior athletes).

If I was a small school that struggled to get attendance, this would be an approach I would take, get some excitement, run a few teams out of the gym.

note, maybe Paul Westhead is a bit too extreme, but I am thinking of 1990's/2000's Gary Williams teams at Maryland, they would pressure the other team the entire game, just varying how hard them pressed. It was exciting basketball, also probably more of a reason Turgeon got run out than the actual W/L he was producing.
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If I was running AFA, I'd be all over that. System that is a complete curveball to game plan against just like the triple option is for football. Because you're never going to sign guys who have NBA dreams at an academy, but you can sure as heck find a bunch of sharpshooters who will play at an exhausting pace.
 
jumped ship said:
I know nik was being factitious, but there are pros and cons to being at altitude, especially in a game like bball that is more explosive. yes, visiting teams are gassed in the second half, but they also have the benefit of training at sea level where they can push it harder in the weight room, run faster sprints, and overall deal with less fatigue at practice

I just ran a hilly trail race in the bay area, coming from Denver. my lungs and heart felt great but my muscles cramped up in the last third of the race cause they weren't use to running that fast for that long on those hills
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Over the years, Boulder has been a favored training place for the highest quality runners.- including many Olympians. And, CU has traditionally been a national cross-country power.
 
jumped ship said:
I know nik was being factitious, but there are pros and cons to being at altitude, especially in a game like bball that is more explosive. yes, visiting teams are gassed in the second half, but they also have the benefit of training at sea level where they can push it harder in the weight room, run faster sprints, and overall deal with less fatigue at practice

I just ran a hilly trail race in the bay area, coming from Denver. my lungs and heart felt great but my muscles cramped up in the last third of the race cause they weren't use to running that fast for that long on those hills
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On the other hand, I was a heavy smoker when I first lived in Boulder in the 90s. When I moved to San Diego, I felt like an Olympian my first week on the treadmill. 👍
 
Da Lama said:
I have no respect for OSU. I never have. They've always been a G5 level school that was forced upon everyone by being dragged along side big brother Oregon. I hope the PAC2 rots and dies and they end up playing basketball in the WCC and football in the WAC.

I do hope Wazzu elevates itself and thrives. They're cool in my book.
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Yeah, I saw TDforTD'S post and thought: why do I care what the AD at some third rate school thinks? It will be comical to watch the P-2 add the "best" of the Mtn. Weenie Div. and pretend they are P5.
 
leftybuff said:
Yeah, I saw TDforTD'S post and thought: why do I care what the AD at some third rate school thinks? It will be comical to watch the P-2 add the "best" of the Mtn. Weenie Div. and pretend they are P5.
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Embraced by some of the same people who used to look down their noses at BYU, Houston, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas, Texas Tech, SDSU, UNLV and Boise State + others as beneath the Pac standard.
 
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