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Defenders faking injury to slow offense - Gundy has the solution

Buffnik

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I love this. Makes total sense and should be implemented. Would also help with the length of game issues a bit.

“If you’re injured, you can’t come back in until there’s a change of possession. Then you can come back in. People say ‘Well, you know, that’s not fair to that kid.’”

“They can do a study on this, if you’re injured, even a mild injury, you’re not coming back in in 6-8 plays. Everybody has to check you. You don’t just come back in. The rule is going to be fair if they just implement it and it will stop people from laying down.”

http://footballscoop.com/news/mike-...enient-tempo-related-injuries-defensive-guys/
 
Makes a lot of sense.

Also would mean that kids who get hurt would be forced to have enough time on the sidelines for a better evaluation of the injury. With all the concern about head injuries this may help spot some that otherwise may go undetected.

I remember a former NFL guy talking about how he got "dinged" on a play so he faked an ankle injury as a distraction. A couple plays later he returned to the field, took another hit to the head, and was out for a substantial part of the season. He said that if the trainers had taken a closer look at him they would have noticed and held him out. Under Gundy's rule that would be more likely.

I have also been a proponent of the idea that if a player gets an unsportmanlike penalty or things like fighting or a late hit he goes to the sideline until the next change of possession. Give guys a time to cool off and make trying to take somebody else out have a cost more than 15 yards or worse an offsetting penalty.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
not really, would work both ways. If a star receiver, back, or QB gets dinged up, they are done until the next series.
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The point of this is to prevent defenses from slowing down fast pace offenses in a rhythm. Offensive players don’t have any incentive to fake injuries. So yes, this is just another clear advantage for the offense.
 
Buffnik said:
If that's what he wants, he shouldn't have agreed to a $5M a year contract at OSU with a $5M buyout. He has priced himself out of the market as a Top 10 salary guy in college football. :D
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:ROFLMAO: I’m just trying to talk the football overlords into believing my delirium.
 
TSchekler said:
The point of this is to prevent defenses from slowing down fast pace offenses in a rhythm. Offensive players don’t have any incentive to fake injuries. So yes, this is just another clear advantage for the offense.
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Yeah but faking injuries to me isn’t a strategy I care about protecting - it’s weak and not in keeping with the spirit of competition. I’m all for this rule change with maybe the option for a team to call a timeout in-lieu if removing the injured player for a series.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Yeah but faking injuries to me isn’t a strategy I care about protecting - it’s weak and not in keeping with the spirit of competition. I’m all for this rule change with maybe the option for a team to call a timeout in-lieu if removing the injured player for a series.
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I don’t really care tbh, but I’m just pointing out exactly what the opponents of this say in the article.
 
TSchekler said:
The point of this is to prevent defenses from slowing down fast pace offenses in a rhythm. Offensive players don’t have any incentive to fake injuries. So yes, this is just another clear advantage for the offense.
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It's definitely an advantage for the offense. It also happens to be fair and much better than seeing football players flopping like it's a soccer match.

I'm fine for changing some other rules to support the defense (like allowing more contact with receivers or not allowing OLs to block on screen plays like they were run plays). Encouraging defenses to fake injuries as a tactic is not the way the game should evolve.
 
Buffnik said:
It's definitely an advantage for the offense. It also happens to be fair and much better than seeing football players flopping like it's a soccer match.

I'm fine for changing some other rules to support the defense (like allowing more contact with receivers or not allowing OLs to block on screen plays like they were run plays). Encouraging defenses to fake injuries as a tactic is not the way the game should evolve.
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I’m not saying they shouldn’t implement this rule, just pointing out that it’s a clear advantage for the Offense and I just can’t imagine being a defensive coach in the sport of football going forward.
 
TSchekler said:
Just creates another advantage for offense. More offense if that’s what you like
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So? Faking an injury to gain a competitive advantage should not be allowable in any sport.

If you're concerned about the offense having too much advantage, address it directly*, don't not implement a rule that would make the game better because it would "help offenses."

* some areas of the rulebook that could be changed to directly limit the firepower of offenses:
-downfield blocking /contact
-pre-snap motion
-eligible receivers / allowable formations
 
skibum said:
So? Faking an injury to gain a competitive advantage should not be allowable in any sport.

If you're concerned about the offense having too much advantage, address it directly*, don't not implement a rule that would make the game better because it would "help offenses."

* some areas of the rulebook that could be changed to directly limit the firepower of offenses:
-downfield blocking /contact
-pre-snap motion
-eligible receivers / allowable formations
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Guys. I was just pointing out the obvious, and I think is timely given the recent games at both college and NFL level that have set records for points. I agree, it's a rule that makes sense.
 
many late game "injuries" are cramps, that often require a little attention and only 1 or 2 plays out. this would be unfair in those situations. maybe just have an expert in nyc to determine if it's a fake? do the phone/replay consultation: "Dr Zel, the Official Doctor of the NFL"
 
SINKRATZ said:
Yeah but faking injuries to me isn’t a strategy I care about protecting - it’s weak and not in keeping with the spirit of competition. I’m all for this rule change with maybe the option for a team to call a timeout in-lieu if removing the injured player for a series.
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Isn't faking an injury a delay penalty or is that just NFL?
 
would also encourage athletes to hide genuine injuries, for fear of the penalty. can't have that
 
If a coach is concerned about the pace of play at the end of a game and his defense then he just needs to manage his time-outs to have one or two available for this purpose.

Also if a coach wants to use the injury to slow it down he still can, he just needs to be willing to sacrifice a player for the rest of the drive. Worst case scenario he subs a guy in who plays a couple downs and then takes the dive, then being out for the rest of the possession.
 
cu2x said:
would also encourage athletes to hide genuine injuries, for fear of the penalty. can't have that
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Why would it do that? If my ankle or knee won't support my weight or my shoulder has popped out of the socket, I'm not planning on returning any earlier than the next possession anyway. I'm hoping that I'm able to return for the next possession.
 
Buffnik said:
Why would it do that? If my ankle or knee won't support my weight or my shoulder has popped out of the socket, I'm not planning on returning any earlier than the next possession anyway. I'm hoping that I'm able to return for the next possession.
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Exactly. If it is a minor thing you will try your damndest to get off so you can come back on in a couple of plays.
One rule change in college I would like to see is moving the 3 yard bidder back to 1 yard for lineman, like the nfl. This would dampen the RPO. I would also change the downfield blocking rule on screens to the NFL rule.
 
cu2x said:
many late game "injuries" are cramps, that often require a little attention and only 1 or 2 plays out. this would be unfair in those situations. maybe just have an expert in nyc to determine if it's a fake? do the phone/replay consultation: "Dr Zel, the Official Doctor of the NFL"
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Too bad. If you don’t want to sit out the rest of the series, don’t get a cramp (hydrate enough). It’s a small price to pay to get curb the fake injuries that happen more often than actual injuries.
 
TSchekler said:
Too bad. If you don’t want to sit out the rest of the series, don’t get a cramp (hydrate enough). It’s a small price to pay to get curb the fake injuries that happen more often than actual injuries.
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None of your posts in this thread make sense.

Cramping has little or nothing to do with hydration. Look it up.
 
TSchekler said:
Others seem to understand. Reread if having trouble?

Lol ok guy. Dehydration is a major cause of cramping.
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You need to do some reading. Recent studies have shown that hydration has little to do with cramping. Even at levels of dehydration that would considered dangerous.
 
Regarding the cramping if it is legit the player is not likely to be back in "one or two plays" and if he is he is risking additional cramping, potentially even additional damage in torn tissues.

Again if a coach is that concerned or dependent then manage time-outs to have one or two to use in that circumstance.
 
cu2x said:
many late game "injuries" are cramps, that often require a little attention and only 1 or 2 plays out. this would be unfair in those situations. maybe just have an expert in nyc to determine if it's a fake? do the phone/replay consultation: "Dr Zel, the Official Doctor of the NFL"
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Yes, more replays, that’s just what we need.
 
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