Medford M.
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No... I'm not. Do some reading bud. No correlation.You’re wrong but
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Defenders faking injury to slow offense - Gundy has the solution
- Thread starter Buffnik
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All the research says that Medford is right about this. Cramping is from lack of rest, over-training and over-exerting certain muscles. All of the research has gone away from the conventional wisdom we've all been told that it was about hydration and electrolytes.
https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/article/fitness-articles/ways-to-stop-muscle-cramps/
https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/article/fitness-articles/ways-to-stop-muscle-cramps/
You’re wrong but
Sorry to be lazy and not address all of your posts point by point but you are lacking any kind of real information, logic, or reasonable argument.
I think Gundy’s proposal makes a lot of sense and to heck with any “advantage” it gives to anyone. Your ignorance about basic hydration was just a tipping point.
jizzrag85
Well-Known Member
This sounds great in theory but would be a bit of mess in execution. Not every injury is severe and there’s no way to differentiate between the 2. Example: 2 players go for a tackle and jump and slam into each other and get shaken up and need a few minutes to shake it off. It’s not an injury and it’s not laying down persay, it would be obvious to all who witnessed they were in pain. We’ve all seen it, looks real painful, he shakes it off after a few plays and gets back in there. You would then disqualify 2 players till the next possession? What if that’s the last possession of the game, they’re now disqualified for the game because of an unlucky collision? That would be a really sticky situation that would piss fans off.
I would more go with Gundys idea if it had some changes. Something along the lines of; if you’re injured and cannot exit the field within a set amount of time (say 1 minute) you’re deemed too injured to play till the next possession and you’re delaying the flow of the game. If you can exit the field in a set amount of time, you’re eligible to return, but only after a set number of plays, say 4-8, a series or 2.
I think that would mitigate the over extended stays of nap time on the field for some of the injuries we see. If you’re truly injured it won’t change anything, you’re not coming back. But you would be hurting your team more if you chose to fake an injury because that 45 seconds you delayed the game now cost your team your presence for the next 1-2 series.
Or the flip side is if they really wanted to mitigate this. Any player who lays down for less than a minute and tries to enter the game in less than 2 series will be given a delay of game penalty. The truth in all of this is that if you really do hurt you’ll be getting checked for those 8 plays anyways.
I would more go with Gundys idea if it had some changes. Something along the lines of; if you’re injured and cannot exit the field within a set amount of time (say 1 minute) you’re deemed too injured to play till the next possession and you’re delaying the flow of the game. If you can exit the field in a set amount of time, you’re eligible to return, but only after a set number of plays, say 4-8, a series or 2.
I think that would mitigate the over extended stays of nap time on the field for some of the injuries we see. If you’re truly injured it won’t change anything, you’re not coming back. But you would be hurting your team more if you chose to fake an injury because that 45 seconds you delayed the game now cost your team your presence for the next 1-2 series.
Or the flip side is if they really wanted to mitigate this. Any player who lays down for less than a minute and tries to enter the game in less than 2 series will be given a delay of game penalty. The truth in all of this is that if you really do hurt you’ll be getting checked for those 8 plays anyways.
If you can't get up and get back to the huddle, you probably do need to be checked out before being let back on the field.
We've had years of coaches telling players to stay down so that's become normal. (It's also become normal for a lot of guys to pretend to be injured because they got torched on the play.)
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/muscle-cramp/symptoms-causes/syc-20350820
https://medlineplus.gov/musclecramps.html
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/b...pinal-cord,-and-nerve-disorders/muscle-cramps
I don't see anything that suggests dehydration is not part of it. I could go on but this was such an irrelevant part of one of my posts.
https://medlineplus.gov/musclecramps.html
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/b...pinal-cord,-and-nerve-disorders/muscle-cramps
I don't see anything that suggests dehydration is not part of it. I could go on but this was such an irrelevant part of one of my posts.
Had you actually read my posts before commenting, you would have known that I am on board with the rule Gundy proposes, I was just pointing out that it creates another advantage for the offense (which is clearly outlined and discussed in the actual article). I'm not sure if you thought I was arguing something different, but reading is good if you're going to chime in thanks.
jizzrag85
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Right, I agree, that was my point. Call it injury prevention. If you can’t get up in a timely manner you’re out till the next possession and that should be enough time to be evaluated. Faking injury here could seriously cost your team. If you can’t get up immediately but need a minute, you must leave the field for a set number of plays and be evaluated. This would limit fake laying down, being out for a set number of plays could be a big deal. No more laying down for 2 minutes, running to the sideline and then coming right back.
And as I mentioned earlier if a guy can't bounce up and get off the field in a timely manner he probably shouldn't be coming back in after one or two plays. This would give the medical staff enough time to make sure that he is truly safe to return to the field. As it stands, and this wouldn't completely eliminate this but it would help, at the end of games we have guys returning to play sometimes when that return is dangerous to them.
jizzrag85
Well-Known Member
Exactly all of this. If you’re laying down you’re injured. I’d just be careful to say you’re out for an entire possession. I know if I’m watching CU and our guy goes down awkward and lays there for 30 or so seconds and then needs a few plays to shake it off I’m going to be pissed if he can’t return again because it’s the last possession of the game. Let him go get checked, sit his set number of plays to assure he’s good to go and then let him back in. If you’re causing commercial timeouts you’re out for awhile anyways.
Tractor
Club Member
I've been a proponent of this for years. But I believe it should be "purposeful stoppage of play" instead of just "change of possession." I want the defense to have the ability to bring players back if they think it's prudent/needed. It would add another element of strategy to the game.
Scenario 1: Player A is down being attended to. Game stops. Medical staff comes out. Helps him off. Game resumes. Can't come in for the rest of the drive unless his team calls a timeout, stopping the game. If your star is just dinged up and you need him back, you can do it, but it will cost you.
Scenario 2: Player A is down being attended to. Game stops. Medical staff comes out. Helps him off. Game resumes. Player B "gets injured." Player A cannot return because this was not a "purposeful stoppage of play," Player B cannot return either unless his team calls a timeout. Then both players could return if able.
Scenario 3: Player A is down being attended to. Game Stops. Medical staff comes out. Helps him off. Game resumes. The offense is facing a critical 3rd and 6. They call timeout to ensure they get the right play. Player A can return. Offense may want to re-consider whether they want to just risk running a play without that guy on D vs running the perfect play with that guy maybe coming back...or not... 3D chess level football
If a play is under review for whatever reason, player can return.
Also, change of possession player can return.
Scenario 1: Player A is down being attended to. Game stops. Medical staff comes out. Helps him off. Game resumes. Can't come in for the rest of the drive unless his team calls a timeout, stopping the game. If your star is just dinged up and you need him back, you can do it, but it will cost you.
Scenario 2: Player A is down being attended to. Game stops. Medical staff comes out. Helps him off. Game resumes. Player B "gets injured." Player A cannot return because this was not a "purposeful stoppage of play," Player B cannot return either unless his team calls a timeout. Then both players could return if able.
Scenario 3: Player A is down being attended to. Game Stops. Medical staff comes out. Helps him off. Game resumes. The offense is facing a critical 3rd and 6. They call timeout to ensure they get the right play. Player A can return. Offense may want to re-consider whether they want to just risk running a play without that guy on D vs running the perfect play with that guy maybe coming back...or not... 3D chess level football
If a play is under review for whatever reason, player can return.
Also, change of possession player can return.
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Sounds like a good idea. Downsides could be that players who are legitametly injured but not severely may try to keep playing through it or a defense may put a little extra effort in knocking out the offense’s star player. Especially the quarterback. It would create a sort of hierarchy of injuries. The star QB is at the highest risk to get injured and is the most important player for the offense usually.
Ralfie
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Seems more like a sad state of affairs if people really are faking injuries to get an advantage in the game.
This is why we can't have nice things or rely on sportsmanship, some d-bag(s) always take advantage of the good will.
Ralfie
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What in holy hell do you think you’re doing Nik, trying to take down the benevolent power drink lobby?
Do I really need to remind you that Brawndo’s got electrolytes?!
It is what plants crave.
I’m pretty sure you’re right.
Ralfie
Well-Known Member
You would concede that you’re no botanist, surely?
What the **** is a botanist?
Ralfie
Well-Known Member
That guy looks smart.
Ralfie
Well-Known Member
If he’s so smart why is he stuck making **** potatoes on Saturn or whatever?
He made potatoes without Brawndo. We all know it’s what plants crave. How did he do that?
Ralfie
Well-Known Member
Touché