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And while I still like the long term potential of Yuri Wright, and his upside, Chidoba Awuzie, overlooked, under-recruited is ready to play right away (2 years sooner than Yuri). And I have a hard time finding any faults in terms of his ceiling.... On one hand you have a highly recruited project with all kinds of risks and on the other you have a gift from the Gods, who could easily have ended up at San Jose State. He's got all the athleticism anyone could want. He's got size. He's over 200 pounds. He can leap. He can run. He is smart. He is disciplined. He wants it....
Repeat after me: I will spend no more of my precious life worrying about "stars" and who we are recruiting.
Repeat after me: I will spend no more of my precious life worrying about "stars" and who we are recruiting.
Yeah. Strange how that works a lot of the time. Yuri was supposedly our best recruit. The "can't miss, sure fire" kid. I sure don't know what happened there, but I still expect great things from him. A redshirt will do him a lot of good, methinks.
Holic is being dumb about recruiting again.
It has been proven over and over and over again that the statistical probability of success is linked to the star rating system. Yes, you can find diamonds in the rough and catch some breaks, but I'm shocked this conversation is even still happening today.
Ever read the book "The Outsiders" by Malcolm Gladwell? I have to say that what he talks about in there has everything to do with the veracity of your statement above.
bigskybuff
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No, he is not. I hope you're sarcastic font isn't working correctly.
White_Rabbit
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:lol:
Please tell me you are not suggesting we should set up a strategy of not recruiting higher rated talent.
The book cites a stat that underdogs win wars 28% of the time despite being significantly outmanned and relates that to sports. Sports have rules where as war does not. He even admits in many cases they used "socially unacceptable" tactics to win. How does that translate to the football field and lead to a winning strategy?
An interesting and thoughtful book. Don't get me wrong - I agree persistence, belief, attitude, and effort can go a long way. But it doesn't trump ultimately getting better by having more talent.
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Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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Outliers??
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Someone should suggest that he take a look at who is currently ahead of Awuzie on the depth chart (Hint: he was pretty highly ranked).
somebody
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I actually agree with you, but as for the translation, there was the way the nubs beat Wyoming Saturday, the Cam Newton affair, rampant use of steroids...
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Wasnt our starting rb highly recruited as well? And our starting rt was a high 3 star.
White_Rabbit
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In before someone says we can't expect to beat out USC and Alabama for recruits.
Also in before someone complains that the debbie downers derailed another thread to complain about recruiting.
Also in before someone complains that the debbie downers derailed another thread to complain about recruiting.
Powell turned down the Nubs, aTm, UDub and UCLA to come to CU.
Nembot was real close to signing with UDub, but USC, Furd, UCLA and ASU also offered.
Crabb was pretty well thought of, turning down UDub and Zona.
Handler had offers from GA Tech, Purdue and NC State.
Guys like Munyer and Spruce were rated for their positions but didn't really have BCS offers, just a bunch of quality MWC/WAC offers. Goodson was a total discovery, taking a risk on a 5'8" 165lb RB in hopes that the 4.4 speed and great agility would translate (fortunately we switched from the pro style so he could get a chance to shine).
Much of Yuri's recruiting attention and corresponding offers were because he is such a tremendous natural athlete, fast, quick, fluid, etc.
Sometimes kids like this didn't have to play sound fundamental football in HS because they are som much better athletes than the kids they play against that they can recover from the mistakes they make and still dominate.
Most of this level of kids end up at powerhouse schools and get their "wake up" call playing on scout teams as Fr. and Soph. before showing up on the field as more devleoped players. We were so thin last year that despite not bieng ready Yuri got thrown to the wolves last year.
I think a RS year would do him a world of good. I also wouldn't make any assumptions that he is going to be a "bust" at CU. If he can get himself back together and develop some while learning how to be a college level player that superior athletic ability will still be there and could make him a key player for us before he is done.
Yuri didn't really play football until he was a junior in high school and also went to **** schools when he was a little kid that caused him to have a lot of ground to make up in high school into college. He should have redshirted last year. He's like the posterboy for someone who will really benefit from an extra year of coaching and school. 4* based on NFL upside, not based on BCS readiness.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
Our defensive backfield seems to be a strength this year, but look at the classes (below) -- next year could be stellar:
Henderson (junior)
Crawley (soph)
Awuzie (frosh)
Walker (frosh)
Wright (soph)
Hall (soph)
Bell (junior)
Moten (junior)
Mosley (soph)
Thompson (frosh)
(walk on players)
Archuleta (soph)
Brisco (soph)
Harrison (frosh)
Hunter (junior)
Yates (soph)
Orms and Smith are the only seniors
Henderson (junior)
Crawley (soph)
Awuzie (frosh)
Walker (frosh)
Wright (soph)
Hall (soph)
Bell (junior)
Moten (junior)
Mosley (soph)
Thompson (frosh)
(walk on players)
Archuleta (soph)
Brisco (soph)
Harrison (frosh)
Hunter (junior)
Yates (soph)
Orms and Smith are the only seniors
Smith is back next year too. I still can't decide if that's a good thing
aik
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Good for numbers. Can find some way to use a player with his experience. Got thrown to the fire as a CB in year 2 because of injuries and understandably looked lost. Plenty of S and nickel experience though. And can hit. If we have athletes who can cover and tackle better, we'll play them. But having a healthy body on the roster next year who earned 3 letters as a sometimes starter and is a 5th year senior will be a positive, assuming some of our non-contributors eating a scholarship decide to move on and it doesn't prevent a must-get signing with us in February due to lack of available schollies.
Come on Nik, I can play your game. For every A, I have a Z.
Henderson - nobody wanted him.
Tupou. Notta.
yotta yotta yotta.
The bottom line is that Yuri (pre-Twitter Gate) had his pick of ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.
Awuzie and Henderson had perhaps one BCS option.
Yet, both start as true freshman and Yuri is in year 2 and is a big risk if he will ever start. Of course, he may end up first team All American.
But that is the point. There is an unbelievable amount of margin of error in picking 18 year old, not to mention 22 year olds. See Broncos releasing draft picks.... When everyone agrees that this isn't an exact science, I'll stop railing.
Yes, more 5 stars are drafted than 3 stars. But, more 5 stars are 5 stars because the really good programs are interested in them and the really good programs know how to assess talent. NDSU may be the #1 evaluator and developer of talent in the nation right now. Outlier.
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I was answering a question.
And all of those offensive guys I listed offers from were 2* or 3* prospects. But some peers were high on them. If I'm making a point, it's that CU unquestionably has a BCS roster with plenty of talent. Hawkins, Embree and MacIntyre all signed some guys other big time programs wanted (or brought them in as transfers). They also signed a number of guys that the better western non-BCS D1A programs were all over. And they all found some talent others missed.
In short, I see a big talent gap between what we have versus what USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford and Washington have on their rosters. But I don't think we're significantly outgunned in any of our other games.
And I'm starting to believe that our defense may actually be top half of the Pac-12. (As crazy as I thought that talk was over the summer.)
Holic points out the dame example as before as evidence. Good lord. Holic, should cu stop recruiting anyone thats a high 3 star or above?