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Did anybody else hear Bohn on Channel 9 tonight?

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Mostly nothing new or interesting... "Money is always a factor, but it is not the reason we kept Dan" "Dan is still our coach for the same reason we hired him" "integrity" "continuity" etc.

A couple things I did find interesting. The first was that Rod Mackey mentioned that Bohn had told him early this season that "as long as Hawk doesn't lose this team, he's our coach" and that being around the team, Rod said that Hawk has absolutely not lost the team.

The second was that Bohn does believe Hawk can win at CU, but that this offseason "we need to evaluate some things about this program and try to help Hawk out" or something to that effect. To me it definitely left open the possibility of staff changes. He also specifically mentioned recruiting as an emphasis...

Just curious if anything else he said that I might have missed caught anybody's attention. I did also hear Vic Lombardi say that Bohn will be on the show Vic and Gary Miller do tomorrow morning. I've never paid attention to what station that's on, though.... :huh:
 
Yes, nothing much new there, but at least he speaks clearly and with confidence.
Not a man obsessed with cliches.
 
Buff fanatic said:
Mike Bohn called am 1510 awesome??? :confused: On the news??? Slow day on the front range I take it???:lol:
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Yes, that was it. Exactly... :lol:

No, I don't even remember what he said was "awesome". Nothing major, I don't think. I did have to laugh at his use of the word after the posts here today, though.... :lol:
 
I didn't catch the interview with Bohn, but I did turn it on in time to hear Woelk and Armstrong talk a little bit about it, and they said they asked him point-blank if Talkins needs to have a winning season next year to save his job. Bohn's answer was an unequivocal "No". :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

I just don't get it, I really don't.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
I didn't catch the interview with Bohn, but I did turn it on in time to hear Woelk and Armstrong talk a little bit about it, and they said they asked him point-blank if Talkins needs to have a winning season next year to save his job. Bohn's answer was an unequivocal "No". :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

I just don't get it, I really don't.
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6-7 means a bowl game, so it does not surprise me at all that a winning record would be needed to save Hawkins' job. Of course, I am not entirely convinced a bowl game is needed either.
 
Boulder Buff said:
6-7 means a bowl game, so it does not surprise me at all that a winning record would be needed to save Hawkins' job. Of course, I am not entirely convinced a bowl game is needed either.
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I'm just really glad our coach has such high goals, like 6 wins.
 
zbuff said:
I'm just really glad our coach has such high goals, like 6 wins.
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Welcome to the new age of CU football. I am almost certain you will hear a lot of generic talk about making a bowl game this offseason. Bohn and Hawkins learned their lesson after the "10 wins" talk.
 
He was on with Vic and Gary on 1600 this AM. He sounds like a politician. He did say that he'd be working with Hawkins on his public persona. In other words, what comes out of his mouth.
 
On the wins thing, Bohn said the right thing. You can't emphasize recruiting and then say that your coach is a lame duck if he doesn't meet certain criteria in the next season. I think it was a good job avoiding going on record with something that undermines Hawkins. (What the case may be behind closed doors does not have to be broadcast in the media.)
 
Boulder Buff said:
Welcome to the new age of CU football. I am almost certain you will hear a lot of generic talk about making a bowl game this offseason. Bohn and Hawkins learned their lesson after the "10 wins" talk.
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Agree, that seems to be their early approach as the sales pitch for success next year. Shoot for a bowl game, that way you can claim success with a 6-6 record. Bowl games as a measuring stick mean nothing (are there 30+ bowl games each year?). IMO, if we don't win at least 7-8 games, Hawk will be a total failure as a coach here and must go. He wanted 5 years, he was promised 5 years, and he'll get his 5th year. No more f***ing excuses. Win or leave.
 
Boulder Buff said:
6-7 means a bowl game, so it does not surprise me at all that a winning record would be needed to save Hawkins' job. Of course, I am not entirely convinced a bowl game is needed either.
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It's a good thing my dear grandma has already passed because this kinda crap would have killed her.

This program was in a BCS bowl in 2001-02? WOW. :sad1:
 
I'm going to hold out hope that if Hawk only manages 5-6 wins, Bohn will fire him. Everything in me tells me that won't be the case and suddenly the $2 million buyout will be too much, or the team GPA went up to 2.7 in the spring, or we start the season getting rolled by Hawaii and CSU, but make a run for it at the end to finish 4-8. Either way I can't accept that 5 or even 6 wins is enough wins for this program. Hopefully CJ will be in Bohn's ear pleading to not destroy the tradition of a winning program.
 
I think the real question is: "Would Hawkins be fired if he went 0-12"?

And I think the answer is no. There is really no functional difference between 0-12 and 3-9 unless you are a program coming off of consistent 0-12 or 1-11 finishes. For a program that is coming from the other end of the spectrum, they are pretty much the same as far as I am concerned.

In 4 years this guy has put up two very bad records sandwiched by two absolutely atrocious records. His predecessor - who Bohn maintains was fired for performance - won his division 4 times and 5 years, including a win of the conference in which he had the program in the NC conversation. Dan Hawkins will never win the Big 12 North here, let alone actually have CU in position to be legitimately considered as a potential participant in the NC game.

Anything else is just rhetoric and garbage. The facts are, as much as the admin. and the AD would like you to that the program was in shambles, is that we were much more successful under Barnett than we will ever be under Dan Hawkins.

These guys are actively trying to sell the fanbase on "making a bowl game" as an accomplishment. This is BS. Mike Bohn is the same person who contended that Barnett's performance was the reason for his firing. Pure garbage.

You can examine circumstances all you want. The facts are, the bar for this program has been repeatedly and severely lowered and will continue to be lowered in calculated attempts by Bohn and Hawkins to lower expectations to the point that a mediocre season will be hailed as an accomplishment.

Hawkins doesn't have to have a winning season next year? So five consecutive losing seasons at CU is acceptable to Bohn. Why is this guy an athletic director? Athletics are about winning. Why is a guy who is such a huge fan of losing more than twice as often as you win running an athletic department at this level (16-33).

I am rapidly growing tired of Bohn. The longer Bohn and Hawkins are at the helm here the further and further away from respectability CU football becomes. This program is officially in the gutter.

Losing isn't acceptable anywhere, much less at a program that is not very far removed from being prominently on the national scene.

Dan Hawkins would coach 2005 Texas to an 8-5 record.
 
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buffs04 said:
I think the real question is: "Would Hawkins be fired if he went 0-12"?

And I think the answer is no.
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I couldn't read anything past that point.

In my mind there will be two forces at work here and not just one.

  • The first is the win loss record.
  • The second is how big the revenue decline will be.

My thinking on this is that some percentage of fans will not renew their tickets as a complaint about Hawkins and or the lack of a commitment to win. I think it will be a larger percentage then not because there are a lot of people that are very unhappy about the situation. So, going into next season they will start out with less revenue right off the bat.

If Hawkins jumps out and wins a couple games ticket sales will pick up. If he turns in a winning season then renewals will probably come back as well. However, if he slides into the abyss then ticket sales will drop even further. A second 3 win at best season will do some serious damage. When that happens DiStefano will have to make the decision to fund athletics out of the general fund because it will no longer be revenue positive.

When that happens the game will change for DiStefano or he'll be replaced. He can talk about good citizens and graduation rates and GPAs all he wants. But the Regents, and the Legislature that funds CU, are not gonna look too kindly on diverting tax payer dollars or tuition dollars to keep athletics rolling. I don't see the faculty liking idea much either. Killing athletics is not an option because its plants the seed for future enrollments and The Regents will never allow that. The Regents will likely force them to make drastic cuts to the budget along with getting revenue back up. How do you think they are gonna do that? By winning.
 
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Has someone from CSU's district slipped a 'retain Hawkins' clause into the Colorado state constitution?

His dismisal for on-the field performance requires a vote by eight elected regents.

Not going anywhere.....
 
What is Bohn suppose to say? It was almost completely a financial decision...Hawkins will be here until the end of his contract because the school can't afford to buy him out on the 49th ranked state funded higher education budget.
 
I don't just want to go to a bowl game. I want to win the north, win 10ish games, and play in a "good" bowl game. I know that is too much to ask for, but the cool thing is that if you do one of those things, the other two piggy-back right on in also. So really I'm just asking for one thing...which is also too much to ask for. ****.
 
Bohn was on 1510 earlier today and said something to the effect of "we can guarantee a recruit that we'll have 50,000 people in the stands watching him play every week". What a load of baloney. They'll be lucky to get 40,000 people in the stands for most of those games. Baylor? Hawaii? Iowa State? Kansas State? guh. Bohn is like a duck, all calm on the surface but paddling as hard as he can underneath.

And let's not forget that the AD will probably make more money next year, regardless of attendance. We get an extra game to sell, so unless attendance really does drop into the 30's, revenues will be higher.
 
buffs04 said:
I think the real question is: "Would Hawkins be fired if he went 0-12"?

And I think the answer is no. There is really no functional difference between 0-12 and 3-9 unless you are a program coming off of consistent 0-12 or 1-11 finishes. For a program that is coming from the other end of the spectrum, they are pretty much the same as far as I am concerned.

In 4 years this guy has put up two very bad records sandwiched by two absolutely atrocious records. His predecessor - who Bohn maintains was fired for performance - won his division 4 times and 5 years, including a win of the conference in which he had the program in the NC conversation. Dan Hawkins will never win the Big 12 North here, let alone actually have CU in position to be legitimately considered as a potential participant in the NC game.

Anything else is just rhetoric and garbage. The facts are, as much as the admin. and the AD would like you to that the program was in shambles, is that we were much more successful under Barnett than we will ever be under Dan Hawkins.

These guys are actively trying to sell the fanbase on "making a bowl game" as an accomplishment. This is BS. Mike Bohn is the same person who contended that Barnett's performance was the reason for his firing. Pure garbage.

You can examine circumstances all you want. The facts are, the bar for this program has been repeatedly and severely lowered and will continue to be lowered in calculated attempts by Bohn and Hawkins to lower expectations to the point that a mediocre season will be hailed as an accomplishment.

Hawkins doesn't have to have a winning season next year? So five consecutive losing seasons at CU is acceptable to Bohn. Why is this guy an athletic director? Athletics are about winning. Why is a guy who is such a huge fan of losing more than twice as often as you win running an athletic department at this level (16-33).

I am rapidly growing tired of Bohn. The longer Bohn and Hawkins are at the helm here the further and further away from respectability CU football becomes. This program is officially in the gutter.

Losing isn't acceptable anywhere, much less at a program that is not very far removed from being prominently on the national scene.

Dan Hawkins would coach 2005 Texas to an 8-5 record.
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Well said.

Although I take issue with DH taking UT to the 8 win level. I'm not sure he would. I would imagine those Horn Ball games would be epic though. Imagine how competitive they would be after UT dropped a squeaker to TT under DH.

Maybe we could change MB's title to "Participation Director" and all would be well.
 
As bad as Hawkins is....I think you need to look at Barnett's last two games as the beginning of the downfall of this program...lost to Texas 70-3 and 30-3 to Nebraska. That on top of the loss of program control is a performance based decision.

Hawkins does not deserve to be the coach of CU, but neither did Barnett at the end
 
SECOBuffsFan said:
As bad as Hawkins is....I think you need to look at Barnett's last two games as the beginning of the downfall of this program...lost to Texas 70-3 and 30-3 to Nebraska. That on top of the loss of program control is a performance based decision.

Hawkins does not deserve to be the coach of CU, but neither did Barnett at the end
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I think most people would agree with that. But lots of have trouble with the claim that the place was 'burned to the ground'. Yeah, there were some problems, but we were still coming off of successful years within the Big 12.
 
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