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Does Mike MacIntyre do enough in public engagement?
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TDbuff
Club Member
It's both CU and MM's job to put themselves into the media conversation. There's a lot of space between the bs that Hawk spewed and something kind of interesting that MM could get into about the football program. So nobody's asking that MM turn into some zen bullsh*tter/egomaniac just to get some attention. CU football and MM should just be making a little more effort to put themselves out there, it might help next season, and it can't hurt at this point.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Part of his job is to promote the program, I don't really see it. I'd rather see winning too, but for a P5 coach the two are not mutually exclusive. Doesn't his contact pay him something like $875k for radio, tv, and other media and public appearances? I assume we paid him that bonus.
Idot Buff
Guest
For me, HCMM's approach with the media could be indicative of an extremely introverted personality. Perhaps it is why he has failed as a recruiter, and is needing guys like Chiv and Leavitt to carry the day. And it makes me wonder what HCMM is bringing to the table. Game time decisions appear to be an issue. Bottom line is, though, win some ****ing games.
I don't know, he gets ridiculed if he says anything positive about a player because other coaches hyped players in the past that didn't work out. I could see him giving more insight into recruiting and which territories they are going after more and more, changes in philosophy, but that only caters to a small part of the fan base. It's one of those things where some of the fan base will be pissed at what he says and some won't so there is really no reason for it because it further divided the fan base.
This isn't specific to MM but I would like to see the AD do more to get their coaches out to the local radio stations. The only way CU is going to increase its standing in the Denver market is by forcing it. Its Avs, Nuggets, and Rockies season now and the only thing they talk about is the Broncos. Would be nice to hear Tad once in a while pimping his 21-9 team.
Maybe they need to have CU Video do a true Spring/Fall camp "documentary" similar to Hard Knocks, and promote the hell out of it and air it on local TV or the P12 Network. Give fans insight into meeting rooms, the weight room, practices, cafeteria, do interviews with all the coaches and some veteran players, etc.
I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass about hearing how dominant our DL is during the Spring, or how our WRs are catching everything in 7v7 drills. I also don't care about MM trying to artificially hype a program that hasn't been to a bowl game in a decade. I do think, however, that getting some real, raw insight into the process will get fans to connect more with the staff and players.
I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass about hearing how dominant our DL is during the Spring, or how our WRs are catching everything in 7v7 drills. I also don't care about MM trying to artificially hype a program that hasn't been to a bowl game in a decade. I do think, however, that getting some real, raw insight into the process will get fans to connect more with the staff and players.
RG needs to sell season tickets. Even if MM was given a bowl or gone ultimatum, he'd still want him out there selling the program.
What they need to do is get on "The Drive". Maybe this is the year, but almost every coach that has done it has talked about how it has impacted recruiting. CU Video trying to document the season last year, but they were expecting more wins to make their job easy. Obviously didn't work that way.
Yes. I would love to see The Drive devote a 15-20 minute segment each week to CU football by having MM talk about the prior game/upcoming game, similar to what the morning show does with Patrick Roy. Only problem is that they'll probably have to give the sheep a segment too, to keep from upsetting their fan base.
CU Video did a great job documenting the season last year and I loved their videos. The only problem is that only a small faction of fans even know about CU Video, and there's too much other football going on that casual fans don't care. Doing an offseason/preseason documentary, that airs to everyone locally, would do a better job hyping the program than anything in the past.
The Drive is on Pac-12 networks, a hard knocks type show.
I meant the Pac-12 documentary series "The Drive", but yes Radio outreach is important.
Buffenuf
massive tool
1++++ It's RG's job to get this done for all the major programs.
I'd love to see how the XC teams train and get coached by the Pac 12 XC Coach of the Century! Or Rokos with the NC Ski Team. Or how Tad coachs his charges.
badbone63
Active Member
I would prefer that he wins, he is not a great public speaker. This is coming from my wife so please no yelling sexist at me.":He rambles like a chatty women" and I agree he just talks too much. Like he is trying to convince everyone that he knows how to coach. I watched the Drive on PAC 12 and MM is not entertaining enough and tends to sound whiny. Coach Chev and Coach Leavitt would be fun to watch. I wish MM would speak less and focus on winning games.
I don't understand closing all practice sessions. They should open it to the press for a short amount of time each practice. Media time is good for all involved.
It gives us a taste of the team without disclosing any important information.
I don't understand closing all practice sessions. They should open it to the press for a short amount of time each practice. Media time is good for all involved.
It gives us a taste of the team without disclosing any important information.
SuperiorBuff
Well-Known Member
Just win, I don't give a **** if he kisses babies, boosters or asses.
To be clear, I think it is not necessary that MM be a great public speaker or anything of the sort. But I do think he and the AD could be doing a better job of outreach. Maybe it involves more of the assistant coaches. CU Video did do something pretty cool when MacIntyre was initially hired where they interviewed him and several of the assistants. That definitely needs to happen again. For a program that has struggled for so long, it just seems like the outreach is lacking.
For the "just win" crowd, I think that attitude only really works for teams winning 9-10 games on a consistent basis. For rebuilding programs and teams in the mediocre tier, outreach at the college level is a fundamental part of the job IMO.
For the "just win" crowd, I think that attitude only really works for teams winning 9-10 games on a consistent basis. For rebuilding programs and teams in the mediocre tier, outreach at the college level is a fundamental part of the job IMO.
SuperiorBuff
Well-Known Member
Winning is lacking, that's all.
badbone63
Active Member
I agree that we should get more team press. I just think it should be more Team instead of Coach MM.
That's fair.
Honestly, this reminds me exactly of what we got with Hawk. He was very good at interacting and telling everyone what they wanted to hear. He got people excited. He did this until his last day on the job. Most fans hated him when the wins weren't coming and criticized him because he kept that same attitude.
I am guessing they could do more, but not sure what exactly would help at this point. Most people paying attention are the ones paying attention anyways. Maybe you could drum up some fun interviews, but ultimately I don't see this as a problem.
I am guessing Nick Saban isn't very good at this as well and doubt Alabama fans give a rats ass either way.
I am guessing they could do more, but not sure what exactly would help at this point. Most people paying attention are the ones paying attention anyways. Maybe you could drum up some fun interviews, but ultimately I don't see this as a problem.
I am guessing Nick Saban isn't very good at this as well and doubt Alabama fans give a rats ass either way.
I am going to a work conference in Chicago in May where the keynote speaker is Urban Meyer. Perhaps RG should be pushing for Mac to do things like that, although, something tells me Mac's message wouldn't be delivered with the same bravado and charisma as Urban's.
A lot of people report that he's an extremely likable and relatable guy - in the right setting.
It's obvious that big public gatherings are not that setting.
It's also obvious that press conferences aren't ideal (even if they're not terrible, they're not ideal).
The AD should be courting PR possibilities that allow MM to present the side that everyone that sees it tends to like and respect.
I suspect that he would do great in a one on one setting talking serious football. Finding the other side of that one on one would be difficult, because they would also have to be very football smart to hold up their end. The result would probably be something that's less "entertaining" to the general public but more "educational" for the serious football fan.
It wouldn't even have to necessarily focus on CU only, but they could discuss football strategy and evolution, with examples from all levels of football (although there would be a obvious bias towards college ball, and the Pac-12 in particular). Take questions from high school, middle school and pop warner coaches, help them break down offenses and defenses. In general, be seen being a football expert.
Incidentally, in the local media Dave Logan could be that person in the other chair - they'd probably both benefit.
It's obvious that big public gatherings are not that setting.
It's also obvious that press conferences aren't ideal (even if they're not terrible, they're not ideal).
The AD should be courting PR possibilities that allow MM to present the side that everyone that sees it tends to like and respect.
I suspect that he would do great in a one on one setting talking serious football. Finding the other side of that one on one would be difficult, because they would also have to be very football smart to hold up their end. The result would probably be something that's less "entertaining" to the general public but more "educational" for the serious football fan.
It wouldn't even have to necessarily focus on CU only, but they could discuss football strategy and evolution, with examples from all levels of football (although there would be a obvious bias towards college ball, and the Pac-12 in particular). Take questions from high school, middle school and pop warner coaches, help them break down offenses and defenses. In general, be seen being a football expert.
Incidentally, in the local media Dave Logan could be that person in the other chair - they'd probably both benefit.
Gee if only CU's radio partner was replacing a radio legend with a former HC at the university with a huge depth of knowledge when it comes to the game of football.... Oh. Wait.
I would kill to listen/watch GB and MM have serious football discussions.
That
Would
Be
Awesome
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Hawk enjoyed being in the media and talking up the program and most fans ate that s**t up until it became clear he wasn't a winner. His "it ain't intramurals brother" rant is a punchline now, but fans loved it at the time. His problem wasn't that he talked too much, it was that he didn't win enough which made everything he said sound like bulls**t.
Belichek and Saban don't need to sell their programs or fight for attention because they win a lot and get all the publicity they want without needing a coach who is a salesman.
There are a lot of great things going on within the program right now - diehard fans know about it because we seek out the info, but who is selling it to casual fans and recruits? It's part of the coach's job and being sh**ty at part of your job doesn't excuse him from doing his job.
I am sure recruits and high school coaches know exactly what is going on with the program and the new facilities. That is all recruits really talk about when they do interviews about Colorado. Recruits don't listen to interviews on KOA AM radio, and considering most recruits are out of state I don't think a 3 minute feature on CBS 4 news is going to be seen either. Even the players inside the state probably miss the news most of the time.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
God forbid one of those local radio or TV pieces gets some national play. You're talking about recruits we are offering or targeting - sure they get the same sales pitch they get from other schools about how great they are, but wouldn't it be nice if they heard nice things about CU outside of our directed recruiting pitch? Wouldn't it also be nice if players, parents, and coaches who weren't already being recruited had a positive opinion of the program? That's the part we're not doing well - showing off the things that we have that are worth being excited about.