True, but it's not our fault that they didn't try to test themselves outside of our game against them
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End of Regular Season/Other Conference Tournaments Thread
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The jay bias/little billy pecker effect. Cram the 7/8 teams from major conferences in because everyone wants to see a crappy ucla team instead of CSU/Murray St etc. Right? Really sickening.
They went way, way out of their way last season when they were forced to give an undefeated Wichita St a 1 seed to totally stack the deck against them. First, Kentucky gets an 8 seed. Then defending champion Lousiville had they beaten Kentucky. Then it got worse. They were well and truly punished for that one seed.
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Totally. I just was pointing out that we screwed them over by sucking, when they probably thought that we would be a big RPI boost and a quality win.
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CVilleBuff
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Indiana is 61, Ole Miss 60, LSU 58 and Purdue 56….CSU is 29. CSU is the first top 30 snub since the tournament expanded to 68.
CSU got jobbed. But I'd argue not as bad as we did in 2011. Our SOS was 51st that year; theirs was 112th this year. Combined with not being a P5 school, and it was probably what pushed them out.
ramfan
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I'm disappointed in the CSU exclusion and think it's a little crazy but the truth is teams like CSU won't get the benefit of the doubt and could have done more (either by scheduling or winning more games) to solidify their standing. It appears that RPI is no longer the most important metric and teams should strive to schedule as many top 50 and top 100 games as possible, even if they will lose the majority of them. Eventually eeking out a highly ranked win will be worth more in the committee's eyes than overall record. Welp, CSU better make some noise in the NIT, like make the finals, or they really have no complaints anyway.
I've always felt that the only team with a legitimate gripe for not making the dance is the NIT winner.
I keep seeing people say that CSU should have done a better job scheduling, but it's not that simple. I can't speak specifically for CSU, but I know for a fact that Murray State has a hard time getting teams to agree to games. Until Wichita State became "WICHITA STATE", they had a hard time getting teams to agree. ****, look at CU working with blue bloods. Unless you want to sign up for a bodybag game, there aren't a lot of options for the good mid-major teams.
ramfan
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I'm sure there is truth to that, but CSU's OOC this year was a joke (besides the fact that it was actually good for RPI). Regardless, CSU could have and should have won more games in conference/ the conference tourney to make a convincing argument. CSU led late @ Boise but then crapped the bed and lost to Wyo at home (and on the road). I think those two loses are what kept CSU out (besides national perception, eyeballs, and UCLA being UCLA).
Sure, to an extent. But there weren't better teams they could have scheduled than some of the ones below?
| Date | Rk | Opponent | Result | Location | Record | Conf | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat Nov 15 | 91 | 162 | Montana | W, 83-66 | 72 | Home | 1-0 | ||
| Fri Nov 21 | 90 | 71 | Georgia St. | W, 80-70 | 68 | Home | 2-0 | ||
| Sun Nov 23 | 86 | 181 | Mercer | W, 75-62 | 64 | Home | 3-0 | ||
| Wed Nov 26 | 75 | 266 | Missouri St. | W, 76-61 | 65 | Neutral | 4-0 | ||
| Fri Nov 28 | 70 | 237 | Pacific | W, 75-64 | 61 | Neutral | 5-0 | ||
| Sat Nov 29 | 71 | 110 | UC Santa Barbara | W, 65-63 | 63 | Neutral | 6-0 | ||
| Wed Dec 3 | 68 | 97 | UTEP | W, 65-62 | 65 | Home | 7-0 | ||
| Sun Dec 7 | 69 | 259 | Northern Colorado | W, 66-58 | 67 | Home | 8-0 | ||
| Wed Dec 10 | 67 | 95 | Colorado | W, 62-60 | 62 | Away | 9-0 | ||
| Sat Dec 13 | 60 | NR | Arkansas Fort Smith | W, 88-60 | 71 | Home | 10-0 | ||
| Fri Dec 19 | 59 | 222 | Denver | W, 85-84 | 55 | Away | 11-0 | ||
| Mon Dec 22 | 57 | 187 | Charleston Southern | W, 75-54 | 67 | Home | 12-0 | ||
| Sat Dec 27 | 59 | 88 | New Mexico St. | W, 58-57 | 67 | OT | Away | 13-0 |
ahoelsken
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You weren't particularly close against Wyoming in either game IIRC.....and you didn't do anything of note away from home. Thats what this comes down to.
That doesn't answer my question and there is a reason why Tad started playing the tough ooc schedules (except this year I suppose)
I would include Texas in there as well.
Idot Buff
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Texas is poorly coached. They should have beat ISU....blew the game. Rick Barnes needs to go.
Kinda forgot Oklahoma State as well.
Doesn't matter what we think or the CSU fan's think, what matters is what the committee thinks.
The committee looked at CSU's OOC schedule and didn't see any notable wins, they saw a team that beat a lot of down teams but didn't win enough against the top teams in the MWC including none on the road in a year when the conference was down.
It may be a bias against a mid-major conference, against non-power regional opponents like Denver and NMSU, or just a bias against a team that normally isn't a power but with CU being the only major conference team on their OOC schedule they couldn't afford for us to have a lousy year, especially since they barely beat us as well.
As mentioned earlier beat Wyoming, Boise, or SDSU on the road and they are in. Play a more nationally recognized team either at home or away and they are in.
Always going to be a team left out that thinks they should be in and always a team in that people think should be out. In this case CSU only has themselves to blame for not getting in.
The committee looked at CSU's OOC schedule and didn't see any notable wins, they saw a team that beat a lot of down teams but didn't win enough against the top teams in the MWC including none on the road in a year when the conference was down.
It may be a bias against a mid-major conference, against non-power regional opponents like Denver and NMSU, or just a bias against a team that normally isn't a power but with CU being the only major conference team on their OOC schedule they couldn't afford for us to have a lousy year, especially since they barely beat us as well.
As mentioned earlier beat Wyoming, Boise, or SDSU on the road and they are in. Play a more nationally recognized team either at home or away and they are in.
Always going to be a team left out that thinks they should be in and always a team in that people think should be out. In this case CSU only has themselves to blame for not getting in.
ahoelsken
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UCLA and Indiana-UCLA has been beaten like a dead horse-but Indiana has losses to Eastern Washington and Northwestern. LSU doesn't bother me at all-Here's why: They won at Arkansas and West Virginia, swept Ole Miss, and beat Georgia in their only meeting. When you add in a win over UAB, that makes 6-1 against tournament teams. The loss was to Kentucky at the buzzer. Had the three at the horn that night dropped for LSU, there'd be ZERO conversation about them missing the tournament, even with the bad losses they have (Auburn twice, Miss State, and Mizzou).
Temple was a bigger snub than CSU. They beat Kansas and Cincinnati, and also played (but lost to) Villanova. Like any other bubble team, they have warts.....and I'm not crying about their exclusion. As far as the Rams, you gotta toughen up your OOC sked. Boise went to Wisconsin, San Diego State played UA in Tucson, and hell, Wyoming went to Cal and SMU. The goats have the game against us, and as we all can attest, we're not very good. They're in the tournament they should be playing in.