I don't see Mac leaving anytime soon. He's got it rolling and seems to love Boulder. I'd be surprised if he split, with slick I wasn't. They can always talk about contracts later.
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Extend Mac now
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letsgoavs192
I support systemic racism
I don't understand why RG would wait. Extend him through 2020.
Why would Mac or his agent agree to an extension right now? There is a very real chance Mac could take us to the CFP. His market value would shoot through the roof.
Agreed, but I think he needs his "big" extension at season's end. Some have advocated for a 2 year extension with a slight pay increase until he shows he can sustain. I think that sets a bad precedent for a guy who is odds on favorite to win the national COY award and take this team to the P12 CG and possibly Rose Bowl or CFP. Beat Utah, and I think he deserves a nice 4 year, $16m+ extension.
Personally feel like a 3 yr extension, a modest pay bump, + a big time pay bump on incentives would be a solid middle ground.
Looking at other Pac-12 coach salaries, I think that CU can be in the $3MM range with incentives for bowls, APR, division title, etc.
Jeric
Club Member
Much like his mentor Cutcliffe, Mac seems unlike the type to spend 4 years rebuilding "the worst program in the P5" only to jump ship to a high scrutiny job. I honestly don't think it'd be a good fit just like Cutcliffe wasn't a good fit at Ole Miss and I'm sure he'd be the first one to recommend he stay at CU although I doubt it ever gets so far that Mac asks that question. But he's always taken after Cutcliffe in a lot of what he does and I doubt that's changed, both are at the perfect schools for their style.
The only P12 coaches that might see a pay increase this offseason are Peterson, MM, and Leach. Wittingham supposedly already has annual base salary increases, so his number will be bumped up as well. You throw in Oregon, who is likely to fire Helfrich and throw at least $4-$5m+/year at somebody else, and then Mora at $3.45m (#2 in the P12), and giving MM $3m still leaves him in the bottom half of the conference below the likes of Rich Rod and Graham.
When negotiations happen fans can get easily butt hurt. I'd imagine Mac will go to bat for his assistants and do whatever it takes to get them, and himself, the best, most competitive salaries possible. It'll be interesting how public any possible negotiations get. It's pretty common for a coach to use other offers to bolster his case. That's when the fans get antsy.
bpc5180
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Bottom line, you gotta pay to play. If we don't give Mac a raise, he will go someplace else. He's rebuilt two programs now and that is the type of track record a school like UT, LSU, etc, will be looking for. I'm sure George already knows this. He's a Texan, understands how the game is played.
Adding to your last point, RG was here when we used to play big boy football. He has seen how this works.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Yeah I'm not sure that's good enough unless you believe he won't be considered for any big time jobs. $3M would make him roughly the 12th highest paid coach in the SEC.
Don't think CU can justify paying SEC money yet. That would be double or triple his current salary. That will be tough to pass by the regents.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Maybe so, then he may be gone. We'll see.
Maybe not SEC money, but they need to get him into the upper half, at least, if not the top third of the Pac 12, and $3m isn't going to do it.
Never say never. But not gonna happen within the timeline of this contract and likely the tenure of MacIntyre.
phatel20
Active Member
I'm never the optimist, but if there is one person I have incredible faith in it's Rick George. I feel very comfortable that he is at the forefront of communicating with the administration the needs of retaining MM (and assistants) and what that will entail financially. As well, I'm sure that he firmly understands MM's perception of the situation. Also, I have no doubt that MM understands the value of Rick George from the perspective that having a capable and savvy AD is fundamental to his own success. Maybe I'm being naive, but I feel very certain that an amicable deal will be made.
SuperiorBuff
Well-Known Member
There is no way in hell Tuna Mac would even consider the Bailer Butt Rapers; no matter how much money was thrown at him.
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The analysis shouldn't be weighed so much on the Boulder cost of living.
Bigger economic factors between CU and SEC exist that limit the ability to shell out cash to coaches:
- SEC TV contest is much more lucrative
- Most SEC stadiums dwarf Folsom.
- Most SEC sell more tickets
- Mega-donors. CU hasn't developed a deep list of multi-millionaire benefactors who spend lavishly
- School subsidy. CU is hesitant to plow university dollars into athletics. The CUAD is supposed to be self-sufficient and pay back loans
- Expansion debt. Money owed on bonds for the new IPF & Champions Center isn't available for salaries
- Geographic isolation. CU has to spend more on travel for games and recruiting because the campus is farther from conference partners and recruiting hotbeds
- The Broncos. Joe Sixpack Metro Denver football fan isn't as likely to pour his discretionary spending into CU the same way that a Nub, Bama, Longhorn, Oklahoma, Ohio State fanbase does.
These economic realities contribute to why CU doesn't field baseball and a number of other Olympic sports. Have to cut expenses somewhere. It would take some financial wizardry for Rick George and Larry Scott to bump CU from $65M revenue per year to over $100M.
And it's a lot easier to back up the Brinks to top end levels when your AD is at or above $100M.
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What cracks me up is that people think that "cost of living" is a consideration for people who earn several million dollars a year. They have moved beyond those types of concerns in life. When you make that kind of scratch, the consideration is "quality of life".
I think it is definitely a big factor, especially when looking at the money available for assistants and support staff that the SEC shells out (it is a HUGE gap compared to many other conferences). Yeah of course a head coach isn't as worried about that but I guarantee you a lot of the people he brings with him care. And 90% of coaches chase more money no matter what so it obviously changes some things for them, if not why would Saban keep pushing for raises?
Bottom line: David Shaw making 3.5 million at Stanford and Bielma making 3.4 million at Arkansas is not even close to the same amount of compensation.
I wasn't talking about staff. For sure, when we're talking about someone earning in their range. Huge difference between living in California vs Indiana.
But those guys making 3.5MM are buying homes and properties wherever they want, traveling wherever they want, etc. It doesn't matter what they can get for their money in Fayetteville vs NoCal. What matters is whether they like their professional situation, whether they like where they are spending the majority of their time, and whether their wives/family are happy there. They have crossed the "cost of living as a factor" threshold in life.
Agreed. RG was brought in by Benson to bring back big boy football at Colorado. RG will have the leverage to do what is needed to sustain our success as a major football school.