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#Fire Coach Dorrell
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Didn't see this here - also just posted it in the game thread. Bad look. very bad
Even when crushing the cameraman, HCKD's facial expression never changes.
I want that piece of s hit fired. Such a classless hack.
Dorrell is both incompetent and an arse. Good to know.
He’ll be over it by Monday when he sticks his head in a meeting or two
Literally the only emotion he shows all year is slapping the camera guy. Sweet.
Not to mention that OL coach is a top 3-4 most important coach. And KD handed it to a a high school coach
I have posted before and still contend that KD is a a good man. I'm not going to move to personal attacks on him.
What I will say though is that he is looking more and more like what we have seen from a number of prior coaches here.
He looks a lot like a guy who knows that his team is slipping away from him and he has no answer to getting it back. He is losing the players, knows that opposing coaches have him figured out, and knows that nothing is coming on the horizon that is going to help him get it back.
He also knows that with this job goes any hope that he has of ever being a head coach again. He isn't even going to be in demand as somebodies right hand man. If his coaching career continues it will be doing what he was before he got this job, as a position coach.
He is a guy who doesn't show emotion but the frustration is coming out in his demeaner and in his media contact.
He knows it's over, it's now just when it becomes official.
What I will say though is that he is looking more and more like what we have seen from a number of prior coaches here.
He looks a lot like a guy who knows that his team is slipping away from him and he has no answer to getting it back. He is losing the players, knows that opposing coaches have him figured out, and knows that nothing is coming on the horizon that is going to help him get it back.
He also knows that with this job goes any hope that he has of ever being a head coach again. He isn't even going to be in demand as somebodies right hand man. If his coaching career continues it will be doing what he was before he got this job, as a position coach.
He is a guy who doesn't show emotion but the frustration is coming out in his demeaner and in his media contact.
He knows it's over, it's now just when it becomes official.
It is perfectly okay to say he sucks as a head coach but is a good human being. "Promote" him to some bull**** associate AD role if they like him his secondary qualities so much and then hire a real coach.
Agree,
At this level of football being a nice guy isn't a factor.
Is Nick Saban a nice guy?
Could CU fire HCKD for cause based on the photographer push? I doubt it. I wish they could but I doubt it.
I couldn’t find the actual contract on a quick google search. Maybe it’s somewhere to be found with more searching. Based on media reports, it looks like CU woudl owe him well over $10 million if he were fired after this season, but again the contact could have caveats.
Working under the (probably fallacious) assumption that for cause language in these contract is somewhat standard, and looking at other head coach contracts that I could find, there is probably general language about “a deliberate or major” violation of university or NCAA policies. I doubt CU has a policy directly on point, but there probably is something about treating everyone on campus with dignity and respect, but would the push be a “deliberate or major” violation of such a hypothetical policy that would hold up in a lawsuit? I doubt it.
I have seen similar language about a “deliberate or major” violation of any law. Knowing a little about Colorado law the only law the push could conceivably violate would be harassment (an unlawful touching with the intent to annoy, harass, or alarm), as assault requires physical injury and mischief requires damage to property, neither of which seem especially likely based on the video. Still, I think that firing him for hypothetically violating the state harassment statute and claiming it is for cause under the contact would be weak sauce in court.
One contract from another state I have seen refers to conduct “that constitutes moral turpitude or that would, in the University's reasonable judgment, reflect adversely on the University or its athletic programs.” If this is standard language and it is in HCKD’s contract, CU could conceivably argue that the camera push reflected adversely on the university. At the very least if they fired him for that it might be grounds to reach a settlement of less than the full amount of the contract.
I couldn’t find the actual contract on a quick google search. Maybe it’s somewhere to be found with more searching. Based on media reports, it looks like CU woudl owe him well over $10 million if he were fired after this season, but again the contact could have caveats.
Working under the (probably fallacious) assumption that for cause language in these contract is somewhat standard, and looking at other head coach contracts that I could find, there is probably general language about “a deliberate or major” violation of university or NCAA policies. I doubt CU has a policy directly on point, but there probably is something about treating everyone on campus with dignity and respect, but would the push be a “deliberate or major” violation of such a hypothetical policy that would hold up in a lawsuit? I doubt it.
I have seen similar language about a “deliberate or major” violation of any law. Knowing a little about Colorado law the only law the push could conceivably violate would be harassment (an unlawful touching with the intent to annoy, harass, or alarm), as assault requires physical injury and mischief requires damage to property, neither of which seem especially likely based on the video. Still, I think that firing him for hypothetically violating the state harassment statute and claiming it is for cause under the contact would be weak sauce in court.
One contract from another state I have seen refers to conduct “that constitutes moral turpitude or that would, in the University's reasonable judgment, reflect adversely on the University or its athletic programs.” If this is standard language and it is in HCKD’s contract, CU could conceivably argue that the camera push reflected adversely on the university. At the very least if they fired him for that it might be grounds to reach a settlement of less than the full amount of the contract.
If he was fired for that no coach in his right mind would ever want to be at CU. It's not going to happen.
I agree that it is extremely unlikely that it is going to happen, but desperate time call for desperate measures. And these are desperate times.
When the hire is made, we all want to believe the best. It’s natural. It’s ok to change your mind when the evidence is in and say to yourself “yup, he was bad at UCLA and he’s worse here with fewer natural advantages”.
They aren't going to fire him for pushing a photographer, they aren't even going to think about it. It is a minor incident.
What they would do though if they were smart (not likely considering how much they paid him to start with) would be to write him a sharply worded reprimand for the incident specifically ordering him from acting in a way that is disrespectful or could be seen as harassment. If they are aware of any other incidents of a similar nature these would also be specifically addressed in the the document and it would be noted that the reprimand would be not be acted upon at the moment but would go into his personnel file.
What this would do is give them documentation of the incident and their response. Should KD act in a similar manner in the future this documentation could be used to show that he had been made away that his conduct was not acceptable.
If it came down to a firing for cause this may be a part of a cumulative justification but the actual firing would require something much more significant but this could show a pattern of behavior.
Yup
SerenityBuff
Well-Known Member
George had to apologize FOR Dorrell. Hahaha!
I am sure that all of that is probably true. However sometimes with a problematic employee you look for any small little thing that can be the excuse to take action against them, and you go with that. Plus, this is clearly embarrassing to CU, as RG just had to tweet that HCKD‘s apology for him, which is pretty weird. One would think that if it is worthy of the AD issuing a public apology on the coach‘s behalf, the AD would insist the the coach do it himself. HCKD does not have much of a twitter game himself, as almost everything on his account is a retweet, so maybe that’s the reason, but if it is worthy of RG making the apology for him, it is worth of him doing it himself.