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Friday Night Games

Buffnik

Buffnik

Real name isn't Nik
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USF @ Cincinnati (5pm, ESPN2)
Troy @ S Alabama (5:30pm, ESPNU)
BYU @ Boise State (7pm, ESPN)
Oregon @ Cal (8pm, FS1)

The Oregon @ Cal game becomes more interesting for a reason other than football.

They're playing at Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara.

1. Why would Cal spend so much money on their own stadium and then agree to play a big home game at Levi's?
2. Why would Cal want to play at Levi's on a Friday night (good luck fighting traffic across the bay to Santa Clara)?
3. How bad will attendance be when you've got the Giants playing a home World Series game at the same time?

I'm glad I'm not driving in the Bay Area tonight.
 
Buffnik said:
USF @ Cincinnati (5pm, ESPN2)
Troy @ S Alabama (5:30pm, ESPNU)
BYU @ Boise State (7pm, ESPN)
Oregon @ Cal (8pm, FS1)

The Oregon @ Cal game becomes more interesting for a reason other than football.

They're playing at Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara.

1. Why would Cal spend so much money on their own stadium and then agree to play a big home game at Levi's?
2. Why would Cal want to play at Levi's on a Friday night (good luck fighting traffic across the bay to Santa Clara)?
3. How bad will attendance be when you've got the Giants playing a home World Series game at the same time?

I'm glad I'm not driving in the Bay Area tonight.
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No one will be at Levi's stadium tonight. Vamonos Gigantes.
 
Can't stand it when college games are played at NFL stadiums. The only one of these that works is Georgia-Florida.
 
I don't get outta here until 6 but I have cinci recording. Gotta love getting a chance to watch Kiel.
 
Pac-12 tip: if you want national exposure by playing on a thursday/friday, don't start at 10pm on the east coast.
 
That's the PAC time slot for our TV partners. Nothing the conference can do. You sign billion dollar TV deals, you play when they slot you.

From phone
 
FrankRizzo said:
Pac-12 tip: if you want national exposure by playing on a thursday/friday, don't start at 10pm on the east coast.
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I'm really starting to think that Scott doesn't care all that much about national exposure despite what was said when they expanded to 12 teams.
 
SD Buff said:
I am really starting to think some Buff fans don't understand Time Zones.
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All talk no action from the alleged genius. Guess what Larry, you still have very little exposure on the east coast.

The Pac 10 has had very little exposure on the United States east coast. The schools are far away although UCLA was once the gold standard of college basketball and USC, tarnished or not by scandal, had a great run under Pete Carroll. The Pac 10 is in two major media markets, LA and San Francisco but there is a push for national recognition, which, of course, might mean more funding through cable TV dollars and marketing partners.

"Before we structure new media agreements, we were somewhat limited in what we can do," Scott explained. "I am looking for the conference to get more national exposure. We are very strong in our region. But we are looking for national exposure and there really are two things we are focused on there -- showing a little flexibility with our broadcast partners (Rupert Murdoch's FOX and Disney's ESPN) trying to get us windows to get us more national exposure. Secondly, marketing the conference more aggressively, being more proactive. Getting out here (New York) telling our story a little bit different. Doing things for the first time that have not been done before. Getting people to open their eyes and minds a little bit to the to the Pac 10 and just get more in the national narrative."
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http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/pr...ss-of-college-sports-in-2010-is-to-find-money
 
There have been PAC games on the early and afternoon Fox national broadcasts. fUCLA vs. Cal last week was 12:30 start on Fox. Is that not early enough for you? You want games to start at 9am Pacific? The ABC slot is almost always 12:30 pacific. Sometimes games like the RRR are at 9am pacific, you want Scott to try and grab that slot next season?

There is only so much you can do being in the Pacific Athletic Conference. They changed the PAC Network games to an early slot. Lots of stoked Buffs for those breakfast tailgates.

Maybe Scott could work TV into starting at 9am on the east coast and stretch out the football day so you East Coasters don't have to deal with 7pm games on the West Coast.
 
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USF - Cinci has the worst announcers ever at filling in time. These guys are awful.
 
SD Buff said:
Maybe Scott could work TV into starting at 9am on the east coast and stretch out the football day so one out every two people in the country doesn't have to deal with 7pm games on the West Coast.
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FIFY

This is the part that I don't think some people understand. Half of the US population lives in the eastern time zone. If the broadcast times aren't good for the east coast, you have literally reduced your potential audience by 50%. Granted, sports entertainment has some things that make it a unique product, but it is pretty much always a pretty stupid business decision to deliberately chose a distribution model that prevents 50% of your potential customers from even checking out the product.
 
What other delivery model do you suggest? What are you solutions to the time zone and time slot reality.
 
SD Buff said:
There have been PAC games on the early and afternoon Fox national broadcasts. fUCLA vs. Cal last week was 12:30 start on Fox. Is that not early enough for you? You want games to start at 9am Pacific? The ABC slot is almost always 12:30 pacific. Sometimes games like the RRR are at 9am pacific, you want Scott to try and grab that slot next season?

There is only so much you can do being in the Pacific Athletic Conference. They changed the PAC Network games to an early slot. Lots of stoked Buffs for those breakfast tailgates.

Maybe Scott could work TV into starting at 9am on the east coast and stretch out the football day so you East Coasters don't have to deal with 7pm games on the West Coast.
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They've started playing some games in early time slots which is a good first step. But there's still too many P12 games involving a ranked team or both in some cases that start at 10 or 10:30pm Eastern time.

Also, when your conference is already an afterthought on the national stage you don't make the Central and Eastern timezone people have to go looking for your games and having to switch networks to see your games. Instead you need to be seeking them out.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
But there's still too many P12 games involving a ranked team or both in some cases that start at 10 or 10:30pm Eastern time.
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Again, what do you expect Scott to do about this? TV has a limited number of time slots. Every week they draft games. If ABC thinks Oregon vs. fUCLA (two weeks ago) is strong enough to go vs. the CBS SEC game, the PAC game will get that slot. ABC tells the PAC what time the game starts, not the conference. ESPN chose Arizona State vs. Washington this week. They decided it would be best for their 7:45 PST slot. Yeah, it sucks for East Coast viewership - I just don't know what you or anyone expects the PAC to do about it.

The only solution I can think of is starting the football day at 9am/6am. And even then, we'd still probably get 7:30 pacific games b/c TV wants compelling content in those slots.
 
Meh. When the buffs have a Friday night game I'm glad it won't be starting at 5pm to get exposure where it doesn't really matter to most CU fans.
 
Liked Cal's chances to cover since I assumed it was in Berkeley (Cal has played Oregon close there). Now at Levi's in front of a neutral crowd...not sure...
 
SD Buff said:
Again, what do you expect Scott to do about this? TV has a limited number of time slots. Every week they draft games. If ABC thinks Oregon vs. fUCLA (two weeks ago) is strong enough to go vs. the CBS SEC game, the PAC game will get that slot. ABC tells the PAC what time the game starts, not the conference. ESPN chose Arizona State vs. Washington this week. They decided it would be best for their 7:45 PST slot. Yeah, it sucks for East Coast viewership - I just don't know what you or anyone expects the PAC to do about it.

The only solution I can think of is starting the football day at 9am/6am. And even then, we'd still probably get 7:30 pacific games b/c TV wants compelling content in those slots.
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Could start by making the Pac network not impossible to find for anyone east of Denver. Get it done.
 
The Boise St. field is such a frigging joke. And I'm not talking about footing. It makes the game almost unwatchable. Personally, I think it should be banned. It looks like they are playing on some sort of cheap, 1960's carpet. The ought to use black lights.
 
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CVilleBuff said:
Could start by making the Pac network not impossible to find for anyone east of Denver. Get it done.
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Unless you get Dish. But we've been over that.

Here's the cold truth: this is about money. CU is making about triple from media than it did in the Big 12. ESPN and FOX want Pac-12 programming for time slots that other conferences cannot play in. When we're talking about weekday games, the fans who go to the stadium will not tolerate a start time before 6pm and we prefer 7-8pm so we can tailgate a bit before kickoff. Time zones are what they are. Prime time on the west coast starts at 11pm on the east coast. There is a huge market of folks on the west coast that wants good prime time games and the only conference that can satisfy that market need is the Pac-12.
 
Buffnik said:
Unless you get Dish. But we've been over that.

Here's the cold truth: this is about money. CU is making about triple from media than it did in the Big 12. ESPN and FOX want Pac-12 programming for time slots that other conferences cannot play in. When we're talking about weekday games, the fans who go to the stadium will not tolerate a start time before 6pm and we prefer 7-8pm so we can tailgate a bit before kickoff. Time zones are what they are. Prime time on the west coast starts at 11pm on the east coast. There is a huge market of folks on the west coast that wants good prime time games and the only conference that can satisfy that market need is the Pac-12.
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Did you not read what I said earlier? When your conference is already an afterthought and they are at a natural timezone disadvantage, then you need to go seeking out your viewership. Don't make them have to go find you.
 
SD Buff said:
Again, what do you expect Scott to do about this? TV has a limited number of time slots. Every week they draft games. If ABC thinks Oregon vs. fUCLA (two weeks ago) is strong enough to go vs. the CBS SEC game, the PAC game will get that slot. ABC tells the PAC what time the game starts, not the conference. ESPN chose Arizona State vs. Washington this week. They decided it would be best for their 7:45 PST slot. Yeah, it sucks for East Coast viewership - I just don't know what you or anyone expects the PAC to do about it.

The only solution I can think of is starting the football day at 9am/6am. And even then, we'd still probably get 7:30 pacific games b/c TV wants compelling content in those slots.
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OK then remain a very regional conference, which is in direct contradiction to what the alleged genius said in the link I posted. You either want to to try and compete with the big boys for recognition on the national stage or you don't.

Now what about the Pac-12 network being insanely difficult to find in the Central and Eastern time zones, care to address that one?
 
I can't explain it any different and you haven't come up with a single workable solution. And as nik said, we kind of like the prime time slots out here. If you were a Dodger fan would you be asking them to start games at 4pm so some east coast viewers watch the game? You think the SEC and ACC are huge national brands? Conferences are regional.


As for DirecTV. I am not going down that rabbit hole again. Go back to the DirecTV thread - nothing has changed.
 
East Coast lifestyle is different. Nightly news starts at 10, people just stay up later. 10 on Friday night, a good game will draw
 
CarolinaBuff said:
OK then remain a very regional conference, which is in direct contradiction to what the alleged genius said in the link I posted. You either want to to try and compete with the big boys for recognition on the national stage or you don't.

Now what about the Pac-12 network being insanely difficult to find in the Central and Eastern time zones, care to address that one?
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On the major networks, what do you have listed on your channel line up for tomorrow at 8 pm? 5 pm west coast time?

ABC
NBC
CBS
FOX
 
NMBuff said:
Meh. When the buffs have a Friday night game I'm glad it won't be starting at 5pm to get exposure where it doesn't really matter to most heisman voters.
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Changes things a little bit, doesn't it? Of course, we don't have one now, but we will have one again, and if the conference is still getting slots like this, I guarantee you'll be pissed about it.
 
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