Games thread- MEN'S BBall ends regular season with a SENIOR DAY game hosting TCU (Sat., 3/8/25, 2:00 PM MT; ESPN+)

[Buffsbball]

I don't know what to make of him. As I've said, this was the guy winning opening tips the first third of the season. Really nice shooting touch and a big body in the paint we need. I think there's a good chance that back problems ruined his season and he's much better than he was able to show.

Agreed, at the end of the day returning production is still key in College Bball. Here's a breakdown of the top 10 teams in the country.

No 1: Auburn- 5 of top 7 were on roster last year
No 2: Duke - Exception to rule- maybe best freshman class of all time. 4 of top 7 are freshman. 2 of top 7 were on team last year. Colorado can never recruit like this
No 3: Houston- 6 of top 7 were on roster last year
No 4: Tennessee - 4 of top 7 were on roster last year
No 5: Florida- 5 of top 6 were on roster last year
No 6: St. Johns- 4 of top 7 were on roster last year
No 7: Bama- Top 3 all returners from last year- two freshman in rotation
No 8 : Michigan State- 7 of top 9 returned from last year
No 9: Texas Tech- 4 of top 8 returned from last year
No 10: ISU - 4 of top 5 returned from last year

Moral of Story: if Malone returns we have a chance at returning 3 of top 6 and 6 of top 10. That raises our floor significantly. Looking at our recruiting class and Dak and Diop- we will want a bigger body anyway as chances are Tacko can't contribute day 1. I'd trust Malone in year 2 over what we can get in the portal and have them integrate and not having similar learning curve as Malone in year one of system.

 

[buffs233]

Boyle has become a angry martyr, he needs to retire IMO.

Direct quote from Boyle via Pat Rooney of the BDC:

“I’m abstaining from voting for coach of the year. Now, if wasn’t abstaining, I’d vote for (Houston’s) Kelvin Sampson. Without a doubt,” Boyle said. “The reason I’m abstaining is I’ll be glad to vote for coach of the year once they tell me what everybody’s NIL budgets were going into the year. Because that has a lot to do with it.”

 

[Buffnik]

Boyle has become a angry martyr, he needs to retire IMO.

Direct quote from Boyle via Pat Rooney of the BDC:

“I’m abstaining from voting for coach of the year. Now, if wasn’t abstaining, I’d vote for (Houston’s) Kelvin Sampson. Without a doubt,” Boyle said. “The reason I’m abstaining is I’ll be glad to vote for coach of the year once they tell me what everybody’s NIL budgets were going into the year. Because that has a lot to do with it.”

I mean, if someone built a team with a $12M budget and the results were only a hair better than the guy who built on $6M, I think that's relevant to COY.

 

[Tony G.]

Boyle has become a angry martyr, he needs to retire IMO.

Direct quote from Boyle via Pat Rooney of the BDC:

“I’m abstaining from voting for coach of the year. Now, if wasn’t abstaining, I’d vote for (Houston’s) Kelvin Sampson. Without a doubt,” Boyle said. “The reason I’m abstaining is I’ll be glad to vote for coach of the year once they tell me what everybody’s NIL budgets were going into the year. Because that has a lot to do with it.”

He's become very bitter. He realizes that CU won't commit and the future is bleak. Until RG decides to open his wallet this team will be stuck in the bottom half of the Big 12.

 

[buffs233]

I mean, if someone built a team with a $12M budget and the results were only a hair better than the guy who built on $6M, I think that's relevant to COY.

So it's fine for him to be petty and not vote for the Coach of the year? To me, that's a very bad look and he sounds like a big time martyr.

More importantly, why does Tad not make a meaningful contribution to his own program's NIL budget like many coaches have?

 

[Buffnik]

So it's fine for him to be petty and not vote for the Coach of the year? To me, that's a very bad look and he sounds like a big tine martyr.

More importantly, why does Tad not make a meaningful contribution to his own program's NIL budget like many coaches have?

How much should he give? How much should Prime give?

 

[hokiehead]

Boyle has become a angry martyr, he needs to retire IMO.

Direct quote from Boyle via Pat Rooney of the BDC:

“I’m abstaining from voting for coach of the year. Now, if wasn’t abstaining, I’d vote for (Houston’s) Kelvin Sampson. Without a doubt,” Boyle said. “The reason I’m abstaining is I’ll be glad to vote for coach of the year once they tell me what everybody’s NIL budgets were going into the year. Because that has a lot to do with it.”

1. Direct quote via someone else seems like an oxymoron.
2. That quote bothers the hell out of me as it sounds like he doesn't believe raising and managing NIL money is part of his job.

 

[buffs233]

G nHow much should he give? How much should Prime give?

$500,000, with a match from boosters, would be a good start. He makes $2.7 mm a year, so it's not like he's going to go broke, and his program desperately needs NIL funds. Last year anyway, he would have benefited from a 45-50% tax benefit from his NIL contribution. It would also give him a platform to rally boosters around NIL for basketball.

 

[Buffnik]

$500,000, with a match from boosters, would be a good start. He makes $2.7 mm a year, so it's not like he's going to go broke, and his program desperately needs NIL funds. Last year anyway, he would have benefited from a 45-50% tax benefit from his NIL contribution. It would also give him a platform to rally boosters around NIL for basketball.

I wouldn't donate 1/5th of my salary back to my company. I don't feel comfortable at all suggesting someone else should do so. In fact, I think it's wrong to suggest it like you are doing.

Good luck finding a coach willing to work for below market value and then be expected to give 20% of his pay to the players on his roster.

This is bullsh!t.

 

[buffs233]

I wouldn't donate 1/5th of my salary back to my company. I don't feel comfortable at all suggesting someone else should do so. In fact, I think it's wrong to suggest it like you are doing.

Good luck finding a coach willing to work for below market value and then be expected to give 20% of his pay to the players on his roster.

This is bullsh!t.

How about other coaches who have done so, like Brian Kelly, Mike Norvell and Mike Gundy (to name a few) after mediocre/terrible seasons like the one the basketball program just had? Secondly, at Tad's income level, half of the contribution would be in effect dollar-for-dollar tax reductions, so his after tax contribution would really be more like $250,000. Thirdly, if that's too large, at least make a meaningful contribution, so boosters know you're not anti-NIL. Fourthly, if Tad really dislikes the current state of college athletics as appears to be the case, just retire.

 

[Buffnik]

How about other coaches who have done so, like Brian Kelly, Mike Norvell and Mike Gundy (to name a few) after mediocre/terrible seasons like the one the basketball program just had? Secondly, at Tad's income level, half of the contribution would be in effect dollar-for-dollar tax reductions, so his after tax contribution would really be more like $250,000. Thirdly, if that's too large, at least make a meaningful contribution, so boosters know you're not anti-NIL. Fourthly, if Tad really dislikes the current state of college athletics as appears to be the case, just retire.

I would say that's their personal choice for the coaches who donated their own money.

I would also say that if it's an allowable model, then it is RG's job to find the budget to raise coach salaries at CU so they can donate it back to NIL.

I would lastly say that I hope everyone gets what they're asking for, Tad retires, and you can start blaming the next guy who can't seem to figure out how to buy a Ferrari on a Kia budget.

Right now, I'm glad Tad is making a stink and fighting. This isn't about him or keeping his job. He's making all this noise and letting us know it's broken because he wants to see it fixed and for CU basketball to become everything he believes it can be - even if he's watching that come about as a retired fan.

 

[Da Lama]

I don't know what to make of him. As I've said, this was the guy winning opening tips the first third of the season. Really nice shooting touch and a big body in the paint we need. I think there's a good chance that back problems ruined his season and he's much better than he was able to show.

I think there could be something to the back thing, but I also think the level of competition were playing in the non-con was more in line with his talent level. What I don't need to see is him coming back next year and putting up 6/3 while taking valuable minutes from a younger, more talented player.

 

[GoBuffs!!]

I was once on a board of a non-profit where the Executive Director (Paid position) was expected that he would make a considerable contribution back to the organization. His pay was significantly higher than what market rate was in order to compensate it.

This seems like this is just going to turn into ways to funnel money into NIL, but now we are getting to the place where we pay players directly, so no need to funnel through coaches.

 

[hokiehead]

Boyle has become a angry martyr, he needs to retire IMO.

Direct quote from Boyle via Pat Rooney of the BDC:

“I’m abstaining from voting for coach of the year. Now, if wasn’t abstaining, I’d vote for (Houston’s) Kelvin Sampson. Without a doubt,” Boyle said. “The reason I’m abstaining is I’ll be glad to vote for coach of the year once they tell me what everybody’s NIL budgets were going into the year. Because that has a lot to do with it.”

Another thing that bugs me about this quote is that it goes against the popular perception that NIL leveled the field more than when players were (allegedly) getting paid under the table.

Either the amount of illicit payments in college hoops was way overblown, or Boyle preferred the dark money system for some reason.

Great win today. Go Buffs.

 

[Buffnik]

Another thing that bugs me about this quote is that it goes against the popular perception that NIL leveled the field more than when players were (allegedly) getting paid under the table.

Either the amount of illicit payments in college hoops was way overblown, or Boyle preferred the dark money system for some reason.

Great win today. Go Buffs.

I think the pay scales went way up. I also have every reason to believe that the budget he was working under last year got cut by RG in order to divert funds in the collective towards football. He no longer has "basketball shadow boosters" and money that is definitely for his program. Before, he was finding success by picking his spots when he felt comfortable going into the middle lane to pass someone. Now everyone is in the fast lane and his boss said he's got to fill his tank with eco friendly ethanol gas instead of the premium he had been using - and it's also now a toll road.