Idot Buff
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a cop, maybe?
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George Frazier arrested on suspicion of DUI
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a cop, maybe?
misinformed on the levels of DWAI. A guy Frazier's size is drinking more than a beer or two at most.
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I doubt it.
BuffNut99
Club Member
I know a guy who got a DUI in Boulder for changing his tire while drunk. If the police feel as though you were/are intending to operate a vehicle (including bicycles), you get a DUI/DWAI.
Shhh....
jobuff
Club Member
Only when you drive as part of your job. I used to work at a rent a car place and that would get you punish. This is way different. We have a court system which he went through. That is what is there for. CU does not need to get involved with this.
Big Jim
WTF?
Director of Scouting for the Denver Broncos?
You realize this argument could be stretched quite a ways, right?
Three words. Hack. For. You.
Please inform me then. I was pulling some facts based on what I learned in drivers Ed 27 years ago.
Then your post prompted me to do 3 minutes of research. In CO DWAI IS .05-.079; DUI IS .08+.
For a 240 lb. make, 3 drinks in an hour brings him to .03, while 4 drinks is .06. Five drinks gets that guy to .08.
Source: http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html
jobuff
Club Member
Yes but it is the truth.
Where is the line drawn?
We've got no choice but to win now.
If by "suspend" you mean get fired, never again perform your duties as you were trained for, and lose your retirement benefits...Naval Aviator
NBDefektor
Well-Known Member
Not at all. The court system obviously wouldn't suspend him from playing a college football game.
I'm talking about the athletic department, which represents our university, deciding that a player being convicted of a misdemeanor in which he potentially could've endangered his own life or that of anyone else on the road should be given no real punishment. Yes, it's good for our sports fans and our football team, but it sends the wrong message in my opinion. We aren't a ****ing SEC school.
Big Jim
WTF?
Are you fine with losing? year-in-year-out losing? 0-9 in conference play? If your answers are yes, then I see your point. If your answers are no, then you have some serious cognitive dissonance going on in your head.
This. I'm tired of seeing players get thrown under the bus for stupid stuff like this. Nobody was hurt.
I think you informed yourself, with this research? I wasn't trying to be a smart ass fwiw, I just knew those numbers weren't fact and I didn't have time to look them up.
Based on your numbers above:
In order to get a DWAI he would have had to have had at least 4 drinks within one hour. If he was spreading it out over a longer period, then more drinks. On top of this, he was asleep in a car. That probably rules out that he would have had 4 drinks in 1 hour then felt so tired, he immediately fell asleep in a car and the cops woke him up right away and tested him right away. Probably involved a little more time than 1 hour one could venture, and thus even more drinks to have tested above .05. (not the 1-2 beers at most you posted)
I do not know the specifics of THIS case, but many DWAI's are actually first offender DUI's that are pleaded down, meaning they were at .08 or higher. This was the way it was 10 years ago when I got some first hand education in the matter.
Next up: reforming/subverting the university discipline system. I would volunteer to "guide" the process, but I'm not sure I am the ideal candidate
jobuff
Club Member
I see where your coming from but I think the AD trusts that the court system will provide punishment fitting the crime from the legal and public safety stand point. Now when it is the AD's decision to institute their punishment they will evaluate how the player can represent the school. During an interview Mac talked about about the fact that Frazier did so many things in the last 6 weeks which led them to this punishment. Neither you nor I know how it went. So st the end of the day it comes to trusting the AD's judgement or not. Knowing that we do not have all the information it comes down to that. Mac has already proven to be someone who develops players to be more than just football players, This is not the same as the SEC. This staff will make a decision objectively not based on what other schools do.
DrunkPanda
Well-Known Member
What does that have to do with anything?! Are you saying that him liking beer means that he should be in favor of drunken driving? He is therefore a hypocrite for criticizing someone for illegal behavior, due to his stance of supporting something that is completely legal. Am I understanding your position correctly?
NBDefektor
Well-Known Member
That's a good response. We have to assume our coach and AD know a LOT more than us. Considering this is the first sort of "slap on the wrist" punishment I've seen doled out by our head coach, I will trust in him until I find a reason not to.
NBDefektor
Well-Known Member
If you're saying I have to decide between winning and "what's right," and that they are both mutually exclusive, I guess I'd have to go with the latter. And what's sort of scary is that I know there are some people that would go with the former. But your argument isn't exactly accurate. Without talking about the Frazier incident specifically (and speaking in a generally broader sense), we can have a successful football program while also handing out just and meaningful punishment that ensures the football team represents the university in a way everyone would be proud of.
You do realize your username is DrunkPanda, right? right?
"At 3 a.m Sunday, an officer on routine patrol came up on a car stopped on 27th Way just before the intersection with Baseline Road, according to Boulder police spokeswoman Laurie Ogden.
The officer watched the car remain in the intersection through one light cycle before initiating a traffic stop.
The officer approached the vehicle and found Frazier asleep at the wheel, with his foot on the brake and the transmission in drive. The officer tried to wake Frazier up and eventually had to nudge him to get him to wake up, Ogden said." (the engine was running)
This was a very dangerous situation and the young man was smashed. The penalty is a joke. Every poster here had predicted 1 to 2 games - which would have been fair. He'd have been an idiot if he didn't behave afterwards - knowing the length of his suspension depended on it
The officer watched the car remain in the intersection through one light cycle before initiating a traffic stop.
The officer approached the vehicle and found Frazier asleep at the wheel, with his foot on the brake and the transmission in drive. The officer tried to wake Frazier up and eventually had to nudge him to get him to wake up, Ogden said." (the engine was running)
This was a very dangerous situation and the young man was smashed. The penalty is a joke. Every poster here had predicted 1 to 2 games - which would have been fair. He'd have been an idiot if he didn't behave afterwards - knowing the length of his suspension depended on it
I just had an employee go thru the first time dui process. No jail, lots of money, education, community service, probation, random ua's, auto-lock device on vehicle for 1 year. He also lost his license for 90 days before he was allowed to drive with the autolock.
He was charged with dui and it was plea bargained down to dwai.
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I agree with you that the expectation was 1 to 2 games and based on the seriousness of the offense would have been easily justified. It would have been very easy for this to progress into something that resulted in bodily harm to Frazier and/or someone else.
In this case I am willing to leave the final judgement to M2. As others have said we don't know the rest of the story. Factors go into a decision like this. Is it a situation of an exemplary kid making a mistake or someone who is regularly pushing the edge going over. Did he truly accept responsibility or is he just going through the motions. Has he addressed the problem from his end cooperating with the legal system and entering counseling.
I don't want to ever see us become like FSU or kNU enabling rapist and covering up physical assaults. We also cannot become so rigid that we go past common sense to make examples out of kids who make out of character mistakes.
George is going to have to deal with a big penalty for this no matter what the football penalty is. He is going to have to pay legal fees, spend time in court, and has already seen his name splashed all over the media. Even as a first time offender he is likely to receive a significant fine, community service, and his license to drive will be in jeopardy. In addition his insurance rates will be sky high for at least the next 3-5 years. He will also be excluded from potential job opportunities that require driving.
If we see M2 handing down this kind of penalty regardless of circumstances then I will worry but as an infrequent thing I have no concern.