since you like the "what if" game, what if they do get it done?can we get a siggy bet going? :smile2:
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since you like the "what if" game, what if they do get it done?can we get a siggy bet going? :smile2:
buffalo30
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I have never called for Dan to be relieved of the head coach position. I believe he can be a very successful coach at Colorado. When you look at the success Georgia Tech had with a completely new system with players that probably didn't even know what the option was, then someone was doing something right. Particularly when their starting offensive line included 2 juniors, 1 sophomore, and 2 freshmen for the last 3 games of the season. The excuse that the Colorado offensive line was the problem does not hold water.
What Dan needs to do is open his eyes to what the offense has done the past 3 years and INSIST on an offense that runs the ball with authority, passes the ball all over the field, scores points and holds onto the ball with a lead and the clock running down to win games. The offense has been a complete shambles regardless of the offensive line situation. It isn't a shambles because of the offensive line situation. Look at Georgia Tech with 2 juniors, 1 sophomore and 2 freshmen linemen starting in their last 3 games, 2of which they run for more than 400 yards. That's not pure luck.
The Colorado offense really does look like a random assortment of plays drawn up in the dirt. The overall scheme, play design, game plan, in game adjustments, and play calling sequence has been poor with the exception of a small handful of games over 37 games and 3 seasons. This season has been particularly bad and it is not entirely the fault of offensive line problems.
If Dan won't make any changes in the coaching staff he had better insist that the offensive coaches come up with something that works.
What Dan needs to do is open his eyes to what the offense has done the past 3 years and INSIST on an offense that runs the ball with authority, passes the ball all over the field, scores points and holds onto the ball with a lead and the clock running down to win games. The offense has been a complete shambles regardless of the offensive line situation. It isn't a shambles because of the offensive line situation. Look at Georgia Tech with 2 juniors, 1 sophomore and 2 freshmen linemen starting in their last 3 games, 2of which they run for more than 400 yards. That's not pure luck.
The Colorado offense really does look like a random assortment of plays drawn up in the dirt. The overall scheme, play design, game plan, in game adjustments, and play calling sequence has been poor with the exception of a small handful of games over 37 games and 3 seasons. This season has been particularly bad and it is not entirely the fault of offensive line problems.
If Dan won't make any changes in the coaching staff he had better insist that the offensive coaches come up with something that works.
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Good opening statement for the case against keeping Mark "It's not intramurals brotha, it's special olympics" Helfrich.
GT's schedule wasn't exactly our's either:
August 28 Jacksonville State W 41-14 1-0 (0-0)
September 6 at Boston College W 19-16 2-0 (1-0)
September 13 at Virginia Tech L 20-17 2-1 (1-1)
September 20 Mississippi State W 38-7 3-1 (1-1)
October 4 Duke W 27-0 4-1 (2-1)
October 11 Gardner-Webb W 10-7 5-1 (2-1)
October 18 at Clemson W 21-17 6-1 (3-1)
October 25 Virginia L 24-17 6-2 (3-2)
November 1 No. 15 Florida State W 31-28 7-2 (4-2)
November 8 at No. 19 North Carolina L 28-7 7-3 (4-3)
November 20 No. 23 Miami (FL) W 41-23 8-3 (5-3)
November 29 at No. 11 Georgia W 45-42 9-3 (5-3)
August 28 Jacksonville State W 41-14 1-0 (0-0)
September 6 at Boston College W 19-16 2-0 (1-0)
September 13 at Virginia Tech L 20-17 2-1 (1-1)
September 20 Mississippi State W 38-7 3-1 (1-1)
October 4 Duke W 27-0 4-1 (2-1)
October 11 Gardner-Webb W 10-7 5-1 (2-1)
October 18 at Clemson W 21-17 6-1 (3-1)
October 25 Virginia L 24-17 6-2 (3-2)
November 1 No. 15 Florida State W 31-28 7-2 (4-2)
November 8 at No. 19 North Carolina L 28-7 7-3 (4-3)
November 20 No. 23 Miami (FL) W 41-23 8-3 (5-3)
November 29 at No. 11 Georgia W 45-42 9-3 (5-3)
what were the ratings of those offensive linemen out of HS? If they were anywhere near as low as our guys's, I will be shocked. plus didn't those frosh not step in until the end of the season?
Not really. If you would bother to read my posts, the only coach I have called for to be fired is Riddle. I'm willing to give every other coach another year to prove themselves. Just because I criticize them a bit, doesn't mean I want them all fired.
i read and responded to the post you made based on its own merits. should be enough.
oh rino, you want a little attention, do ya? that is two that you have jumped in on.
do i really have to say some choice things to make you whine and put me on ignore again? how many times have you bragged about it before? two? three?
if boulder buff feels that i did not give his post enough consideration, at least he is a big boy and is able to say so.
The Monk
Club Member
Ok, now take away five of those players and take away three of the four projected running backs. Now we have Colorado.
lb, a sig bet wouldn't make me happy at all. if i "win" that would mean i took the position that CU was going to fail next year. and failing makes me miserable even if i were to win some sig bet. and if i were to lose such bet, it would mean that you took the position that CU kicks ass next year and i took the other side. that would also make me miserable because i'd be going against my Buff nature. so, this would be a lose-lose offer you've made.
i think you must know that i don't want CU to fail. so, by extension, i want hawk to succeed in a big way. i have some questions and doubts but that doesn't mean i've stopped supporting my team.
play fair, for chrissakes! :smile2:
You bring up good points, but are mistaken with the bolded portion. You are blind if you don't think a portion, a major portion, of our offensive ineptitude was the result of losses on an already young line.
It is one thing to have a young, but athletic and talented line. It is another to have just a young line. The latter needs seasoning, the former can sometimes survive on talent. We started the season with the former, and ended the season with the latter.
its a fair offer :smile2: i luv ya liver.
buffalo30
Well-Known Member
I see there are a couple more apologists for the DCF playground offense. The offense was POORLY DESIGNED BEFORE the offensive line problems. Do I have to take you directly to the root of the problem? Here is a hint... the offensive problems can be traced back 8-10 years to Boise by connecting a few dots that aren't too hard to find. Keep making excuses and I'll clue you guys directly into what I'm talking about sooner or later. I've been a student of the game for 23 years longer than Helfrich has been alive and I ain't senile yet. I know what I'm talking about. I'm tired of some people playing their personal games with the Colorado football program. When "one of the brightest young offensive minds in the country" finally wakes up and does what he should be doing, and actually accomplishes what he should be doing, I'll lay off.
damn, you should have been a lawyer. the first step is to convince yourself that the utter bs leaving your mouth is not only fair but reasonable. once you've convinced yourself, convincing others is not impossible. :lol:
come now liver. it IS reasonable in that i am of one opinion, you are of another, and a sigline is a teeny little thing to bet on.
which part of that premise is "utter bs"? erroneous use of terms!
Good posts in this thread. I agree. IMO, the OC is trying to create the better mouse trap and hasn't had success. It is frustrating to see fundamental football concepts be ignored or avoided so we can pay to watch the laboratory of football trial and error.
The offense has been woeful. Last year the Buffs were 10th in the B12 and this year they were dead last in total offense and scoring offense. I give a pass for '06 statisically, but if you don't have serious concerns about the offensive philosophy and direction, I'm not sure what would get you concerned.....
Junction
Club Member
Yes, perhaps "the rabble" has. However, as nobody posting in this thread has called for anything remotely resembling a "burning head of doom", I am a bit unclear as to the relevance of this observation in the context of this particular conversation.... :huh:
fair nuff. Even my patience with helfy is limited. However, I think helfy gets only one more year to show he can improve. He will still have a young offense next year, but there is no way CU should be unable to run the ball, no matter what.
JimmyBuff
Well-Known Member
Keep bringing it buffalo30.. Other than Miller, most of the OL that were hurt didn't have any playing experience to begin with and you, me or the apologists can't be 100% sure they would have been so much better than the ones that played.
I'm not completely against running the spread scheme, but its painfully obvious to me the playcalling is crap.. Just for an example, the two QB draws run by Little Hawk in the 4th quarter back to back with the lead in the 4th.
Mark Hellaf$#k should be going.. Its not at the Okruch level, but its getting awfully close to it..
what exactly do you suppose their point is? that they want another umbrella drink?
So you're just going to assume that anyone questioning coaches wants them fired. Nice.
okay. how about we start with you? your soapbox moment. in your criticism of the coaches, what is it you want to accomplish? i recall you have called for firing of coaches, and you are in favor of a very short timeline on hawk. a year? right?
so how is it i am jumping to the wrong conclusion, which for the record, is no more than, "hahaha. look at the people going off again."
i would like another umbrella drink! are you offering to bring me one? :smile::drink:
and, i don't even like umbrella drinks. well, i guess if you put an umbrella in a bourbon, i'd probably manage thru my issues.
You don't recall very well at all. I think Hawk deserves to be here through the 2010 season. I think we will have a good idea of whether he will ultimately be a success next year though.
It is a message board. People share their thoughts. I know it is shocking that people wouldn't be happy after a 5-7 season, but it happens. People like to talk football on this board. Talking about the team lacking an offensive identity seems like something worthwhile discussing, but apparently you disagree. Instead of adding anything meaningful to the thread (besides a one or two sentence post mentioning injuries), however, you choose to rip on other posters. Good work!
sure. why not?
clearly i did not recall very well. that was why i asked the question. i found myself in the predicament where i realized i did not hang on your every word. so, you feel that hawk is here for two years, and others should get the axe - one in particular right away. is that right?
sounds like my conclusion was not far off. "here y'all go on about the coaching again" as if it is a unidimensional issue.
knock yourselves out. you are free to discuss whatever you want. others are free to disagree. that is how a message board works.
so glad we could figure out the format of how it works. :thumbsup:
sure. why not?
clearly i did not recall very well. that was why i asked the question. i found myself in the predicament where i realized i did not hang on your every word. so, you feel that hawk is here for two years, and others should get the axe - one in particular right away. is that right?
sounds like my conclusion was not far off. "here y'all go on about the coaching again" as if it is a unidimensional issue.
knock yourselves out. you are free to discuss whatever you want. others are free to disagree. that is how a message board works. so glad we could figure out the mechanics of it all. :thumbsup:
as for lacking an identity on offense - ya think??? is that suprising given that the starting faces at the end of the season differed from those we expected right prior to the season?