I am so damn frustrated right now

[Buffnik]

I know I'm really over-the-top negative and it's probably not always fun to read.

But I just can't get over the dysfunction that I see at CU.

It sounds like the question of keeping Embree isn't even up for debate.

How is that possible?

I'm having trouble thinking of another BCS program where there would even be a debate. Performance like this gets you fired. Period. But not at CU. At CU, we are lectured on the virtues of patience and expected to get excited about a couple changes with the assistant coaches.

We are 1-9.

We were shut out at home.

Fresno State set scoring records against us.

Arizona's RB had 400 yards of total offense against us.

Stanford held us to under 100 yards of total offense.

We have lost by 20+ in 7 of our games - including the last 6.

We lost to a middling 1AA team at home.

We have not won a home game all season.

Our offense is 112/124 in rushing, 99/124 in passing, 115/124 in total yards, 118/124 in scoring.

Our defense is even worse. 117/124 in rushing, 111/124 in passing, 121/124 in total yards, 124/124 in scoring.

We are 114/124 in turnover margin.

Of the 17 major team stats, CU is 10th or lower in the Pac-12 on all but one - Net Punting (6th).

Cleaning house shouldn't even be a decision. The program is a national joke. It's ****ing ridiculous that we're not focused on the coaching search and cheering on our players to finish strong right now. Instead, we're in meltdown over a complete organizational failure that will be allowed to continue. We have been put in the position of having to boycott games and hope for embarrassing losses in the faint hope that it will somehow wake CU up and force them to do something.

I am so ****ing angry.

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[White_Rabbit]

It is pretty impressive. I bet we'd be hard pressed to find another school where this kind of ineptitude would be tolerated..

 

[Dark Bohner]

I couldn't have said it better myself Nik. I tell people that I know that while I actually kind of laugh while watching the games, because they are so bad, I am actually very very angry at the big picture. After communicating with the University at every level that I can, I can only pull my financial support for the football program (small as it is) because there is nothing else I can do, and honestly I don't want to go to games anymore. I would not got to the last two this year if not for my dad.

 

[InTheBuff]

so from what you are hearing .... CU could get blown out at home in each of the last two games by 40+ points in front of less than 40 K fans and Embree is still safe ?

 

[Uncle Ken]

Can a student even fail out of CU, now? Serious question: if I was a student threatened for dismissal for academic reasons, I'd point to the football coaching staff.

Can any faculty member get fired for performance-related reasons?

And why, for the love of God, do these newspapers do the AD's bidding? The Thornburn article the other day (Bohn's legacy tarnished) debated several facts. But Embree's retention was treated like a non-debatable, non-controversial truth. Why? It should be enormously controversial and debated quite publicly.

I'm so confused why this staff would be retained. Nobody has fronted a good reason.

That research on changing coaches was clearly planted, and the conclusions were laughable. The research might have been applicable to Ron Zook at Florida, where a mediocre coach was underperforming based on fan expectations (oh wait, nevermind. Ron Zook's replacement won two national championships at Florida), but it doesn't apply to our level of ineptitude.

Like Nik, I'm angry. It affects how I view every level of CU also. I'm suddenly very critical of every program, and even the campus itself. Just.Angry.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

You should feel pissed. And embarrassed. All CU fans should. And so should the brass at CU. Losing conference games by an average of 40 points should be grounds for firing, to be sure. (Except at CU) Especially when you couple that with the terrible season that was 2011.

 

[Buffalo Brad]

Nice list and you are not overly negative. I cannot let something I love die this horribly without fighting it as well. I am on the email constantly sending these facts into the Admin daily. I am pretty sure they have me on a list and I will never be allowed in their offices and probably have a restraining order issued against me.

 

[CarolinaBuff]

Cleaning house shouldn't even be a decision. The program is a national joke. It's ****ing ridiculous that we're not focused on the coaching search and cheering on our players to finish strong right now. Instead, we're in meltdown over a complete organizational failure that will be allowed to continue. We have been put in the position of having to boycott games and hope for embarrassing losses in the faint hope that it will somehow wake CU up and force them to do something.

I am so ****ing angry.

And what's worse is that we'll become even more of a national joke when the whole country hears that we're keeping our head coach.

 

[Darian3Hagan]

What took you guys so long?

 

[BuffUp]

NIk - lots of us feeling the same. You were nice on your list. CU has allowed this loser mentality go on for way to long. I thought hiring on the cheap would help with buyouts when experiment fails? Guess not... Div11 and 111 schools would put the stop to this kind of mess...

 

[Highlander]

Simple solution - stop caring so much. If no one in the administration with the power to help fix this thing doesn't care, why should I?

 

[Dark Bohner]

Simple solution - stop caring so much. If no one in the administration with the power to help fix this thing doesn't care, why should I?

Sure. I just turn off my emotional attachments when I feel like it. Super easy.

 

[CUBUFF80]

I know this has been brought up before, but the local talking heads refuse to say a word - CJ, Big Al, Klatt, et. al. If Embree was not a member of the Buff "family" they would be SCREAMING for his head.

 

[DenverBuff77]

I'm right there with you Nik. This is just beyond incompetent leadership. It starting to sound like Embo is tied to Bohn. I guess they want to keep Bohn around for another year to try and get some more money for facilities or some other BS excuse. We all know Benson is the problem. He's really not even fit to lead a university with his crappy geology degree, but until he's gone it will be the same old story.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

I know this has been brought up before, but the local talking heads refuse to say a word - CJ, Big Al, Klatt, et. al. If Embree was not a member of the Buff "family" they would be SCREAMING for his head.

They are not saying anything because they are all big members in Buffs 4 Life, who orchestrated this hire.

 

[dio]

Our admin doesn't get it. They don't realize that CU football is at a dangerous tipping point with fan support.... keep Embo and have a 3rd year of blowouts, and it will be mighty difficult to recover and get the fans back on board.

 

[Highlander]

Sure. I just turn off my emotional attachments when I feel like it. Super easy.

That was a bit tongue in cheek - I need to find that sarcasm font - as I have watched every minute of every game except for the USC game while I was in Florida. This pretty much sucks.

 

[leftybuff]

Anyone who would allow such mediocrity, scratch that, catastrophic failure, in their most visible pursuit will certainly cut corners and accept half assed performance in less visible areas. CU, across the board, becomes a laughingstock. But in BB and Dr. Phil's world, they cannot see how that diminishes the value of a CU diploma. Perception is reality. There are people who actually think NU is a fine academic institution simply becuase they have heard of their FB team. Probably should not be that way, but it is.

 

[Ralphandler1]

I know I'm really over-the-top negative and it's probably not always fun to read.

But I just can't get over the dysfunction that I see at CU.

It sounds like the question of keeping Embree isn't even up for debate.

How is that possible?

I'm having trouble thinking of another BCS program where there would even be a debate. Performance like this gets you fired. Period. But not at CU. At CU, we are lectured on the virtues of patience and expected to get excited about a couple changes with the assistant coaches.

We are 1-9.

We were shut out at home.

Fresno State set scoring records against us.

Arizona's RB had 400 yards of total offense against us.

Stanford held us to under 100 yards of total offense.

We have lost by 20+ in 7 of our games - including the last 6.

We lost to a middling 1AA team at home.

We have not won a home game all season.

Our offense is 112/124 in rushing, 99/124 in passing, 115/124 in total yards, 118/124 in scoring.

Our defense is even worse. 117/124 in rushing, 111/124 in passing, 121/124 in total yards, 124/124 in scoring.

We are 114/124 in turnover margin.

Of the 17 major team stats, CU is 10th or lower in the Pac-12 on all but one - Net Punting (6th).

Cleaning house shouldn't even be a decision. The program is a national joke. It's ****ing ridiculous that we're not focused on the coaching search and cheering on our players to finish strong right now. Instead, we're in meltdown over a complete organizational failure that will be allowed to continue. We have been put in the position of having to boycott games and hope for embarrassing losses in the faint hope that it will somehow wake CU up and force them to do something.

I am so ****ing angry.

issed2:

I am beyond pissed as well and I think this year is total BS. All your stats do make a good point. But I think you would be hard pressed to name any programs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons when it was well known they were stepping into a total mess to begin with. I can really only think of Kansas with Turner Gill, Memphis with Larry Porter and Akron firing Rob Ianello. At least in college I think it is too soon. He only has one of his own recruiting classes and he walked into a giant mess last year. Now please don't get me wrong I am mad as hell but firing so quickly makes it more difficult to get another coach. Ruins another year of recruiting (2 out of last 3 years of ruined recruiting= terrible idea down the road). So we are probably gonna have to suck this one up deal with a new DC and some position coaches and see where it takes us. But I think JE's leash got a lot shorter for next year based on the numbers you have in your post.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I am beyond pissed as well and I think this year is total BS. All your stats do make a good point. But I think you would be hard pressed to name any programs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons when it was well known they were stepping into a total mess to begin with. I can really only think of Kansas with Turner Gill, Memphis with Larry Porter and Akron firing Rob Ianello. At least in college I think it is too soon. He only has one of his own recruiting classes and he walked into a giant mess last year. Now please don't get me wrong I am mad as hell but firing so quickly makes it more difficult to get another coach. Ruins another year of recruiting (2 out of last 3 years of ruined recruiting= terrible idea down the road). So we are probably gonna have to suck this one up deal with a new DC and some position coaches and see where it takes us. But I think JE's leash got a lot shorter for next year based on the numbers you have in your post.

Have you seen the 2013 recruiting class? Do you think if Embree stays it is going to magically transform into anything other than the worst recruiting class in the conference? Regardless of whether Embree stays or is fired like he deserves to be, the 2013 recruiting class is going to be terrible.

 

[Ozbuff]

This is depressing. Can someone please start a new Oregon Cheerleader thread?

Btw, I still think this staff will be canned after this year's Utah game.

 

[Uncle Ken]

I am beyond pissed as well and I think this year is total BS. All your stats do make a good point. But I think you would be hard pressed to name any programs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons when it was well known they were stepping into a total mess to begin with. I can really only think of Kansas with Turner Gill, Memphis with Larry Porter and Akron firing Rob Ianello. At least in college I think it is too soon. He only has one of his own recruiting classes and he walked into a giant mess last year. Now please don't get me wrong I am mad as hell but firing so quickly makes it more difficult to get another coach. Ruins another year of recruiting (2 out of last 3 years of ruined recruiting= terrible idea down the road). So we are probably gonna have to suck this one up deal with a new DC and some position coaches and see where it takes us. But I think JE's leash got a lot shorter for next year based on the numbers you have in your post.

You should be able to support this staff and not be accused of being an AD plant. But you sound like an AD plant.

Here are the two places you and I really diverge:

1. Okay, he inherited a mess. But did he make the best mess possible, or actually make it exponentially worse? It's clear where I fall on this issue.

2. The reason I want this staff fired is to salvage recruiting. Do you really think that CJE can credibly recruit after this season?

 

[J.R. Ewing]

I am beyond pissed as well and I think this year is total BS. All your stats do make a good point. But I think you would be hard pressed to name any programs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons when it was well known they were stepping into a total mess to begin with. I can really only think of Kansas with Turner Gill, Memphis with Larry Porter and Akron firing Rob Ianello. At least in college I think it is too soon. He only has one of his own recruiting classes and he walked into a giant mess last year. Now please don't get me wrong I am mad as hell but firing so quickly makes it more difficult to get another coach. Ruins another year of recruiting (2 out of last 3 years of ruined recruiting= terrible idea down the road). So we are probably gonna have to suck this one up deal with a new DC and some position coaches and see where it takes us. But I think JE's leash got a lot shorter for next year based on the numbers you have in your post.

Right now our performance has slipped from last year into easily the bottom 5 teams in the FBS. Not BCS, FBS. We're down there with UMass, Akron, and Idaho. Embree stepped into a mess, but not that bad of a mess. Not losing to Sac St kind of a mess. Fact is the bar was set shockingly low for Embree and Co. And even then, they haven't come close to it. The proof is on the field. This team isn't getting better. Fire Embree.

 

[Buffalo Brad]

You should be able to support this staff and not be accused of being an AD plant. But you sound like an AD plant.

Here are the two places you and I really diverge:

1. Okay, he inherited a mess. But did he make the best mess possible, or actually make it exponentially worse? It's clear where I fall on this issue.

2. The reason I want this staff fired is to salvage recruiting. Do you really think that CJE can credibly recruit after this season?

So much agreement with this. Recruiting has changed so rapidly. It used to be that there were 3 or 4 games on tv each Sat. With ESPN that changed and now you literally have dozens. The Internet and recruiting boards make information instantly available to the recruits across the nation. Twitter and Facebook. If you regress like this program has, become the butt of jokes across the sporting world, and regularly give up 50+ while getting beat down by 20+ every week, recruiting does not get better. This staff will be considered dead men walking next year and we will see the death spiral continue losing another year that will really set the program back multiple years. This staff is done as far as their chance to make a positive impression around the nation. Everyone sees it for what the hiring of Embo was, an inexperienced HC and coordinators that are way over their heads. This is a hire not so unlike the Jerry Faust mistake at ND, an ill conceived experiment that failed miserably.

 

[Wyo Buff]

I couldn't have said it better myself Nik. I tell people that I know that while I actually kind of laugh while watching the games, because they are so bad, I am actually very very angry at the big picture. After communicating with the University at every level that I can, I can only pull my financial support for the football program (small as it is) because there is nothing else I can do, and honestly I don't want to go to games anymore. I would not got to the last two this year if not for my dad.

I can actually hear the Benny Hill themsong when the Buffs are playing. Seriously.

 

[PurpleReign]

Tyrone Willingham and Todd "DoucheHelmet" Turner say hi ;(

 

[BuffClass90]

I am so damn frustrated right now

Chasing a Xanax with some Chardonnay works well :wow:

 

[DavisBuff]

I am beyond pissed as well and I think this year is total BS. All your stats do make a good point. But I think you would be hard pressed to name any programs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons when it was well known they were stepping into a total mess to begin with. I can really only think of Kansas with Turner Gill, Memphis with Larry Porter and Akron firing Rob Ianello. At least in college I think it is too soon. He only has one of his own recruiting classes and he walked into a giant mess last year. Now please don't get me wrong I am mad as hell but firing so quickly makes it more difficult to get another coach. Ruins another year of recruiting (2 out of last 3 years of ruined recruiting= terrible idea down the road). So we are probably gonna have to suck this one up deal with a new DC and some position coaches and see where it takes us. But I think JE's leash got a lot shorter for next year based on the numbers you have in your post.

Firing a coach after their second season can be a mistake. There certainly is risk involved, especially when a coach's biggest strength is his ability to recruit. But, there have been absolutely no signs that this staff will be successful. All signs point to them being over their heads.

Obviously, major changes need to be made to the football program for us to even be competitive again. The improved talent, P Rich and hopefully Dillon, and more experience next year will not be nearly enough.

The problems are too numerous for minor changes to the assistant coaches.

Changing both the OC and DC and keeping Embree would likely create issues with leadership and the direction of the team. It is not a long term solution.

A clean sweep and starting over as soon as possible is the best solution. The longer we stay with Embree, whom I like by the way, the longer it will take to climb out of this hole.

I am hopeful that Bohn, a former college football player, knows this and is just waiting until after the Utah game to make the announcement. No need to make changes until the season is over.

Excellent post Buffnik. Not negative, just pointing out the facts. This is exactly what we should be talking about.

 

[Wyo Buff]

Firing a coach after their second season can be a mistake. There certainly is risk involved, especially when a coach's biggest strength is his ability to recruit. But, there have been absolutely no signs that this staff will be successful. All signs point to them being over their heads.

Obviously, major changes need to be made to the football program for us to even be competitive again. The improved talent, P Rich and hopefully Dillon, and more experience next year will not be nearly enough.



The problems are too numerous for minor changes to the assistant coaches.

Changing both the OC and DC and keeping Embree would likely create issues with leadership and the direction of the team. It is not a long term solution.

A clean sweep and starting over as soon as possible is the best solution. The longer we stay with Embree, whom I like by the way, the longer it will take to climb out of this hole.

I am hopeful that Bohn, a former college football player, knows this and is just waiting until after the Utah game to make the announcement. No need to make changes until the season is over.

Excellent post Buffnik. Not negative, just pointing out the facts. This is exactly what we should be talking about.

I thought he played baseball at Kansas. Maybe that's what they were calling football at Kansas back then.

 

[Buffnik]

I thought he played baseball at Kansas. Maybe that's what they were calling football at Kansas back then.

Yep. It was baseball. He may have been on the football team as a 2-sport guy, though. Back-up type. I think I remember something like that.