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I hope a CU athletic leader reads this thread: Based on Chris Klieman scheduling comments for the Big XII

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I would love to see some kind of standardization of schedules across college football but it isn't going to happen. Those who have the $$ want to keep the dollars, those who don't will keep seeking ways to get the $$.

Most programs have their OOC games scheduled out for years, often ten or more years in advance.

The networks are really the driving force on these things and they care about ratings, and ratings, and then ratings. They will continue to push and promote those conferences in which they have the highest amount of money committed because they want higher ratings which enable them to sell ad time for more and pay back the committments plus make a profit.

The Big 12 plays some very entertaining football. For an average fan without a specific rooting interest most B12 games are much more entertainng than the average B1G game (most of which are either dull slog fest or blowouts,) or even the average SEC game, again many of which are blowouts.

Problem is that in college football most fans do have specific rooting interest and fans in the South and Midwest tend to be much more passionate about their teams than other parts of the country. How else would you explain 60,000+ red fanatics (plus a few thousand empty seats dressed as bargain tickets to maintain the sellout streak) in Stinkoln seven times a year 30-40 thousand showing up on the road. Most other B1G and SEC schools have similar loyalty. Most B12 schools don't.

The result is that you can put Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, A&M, Penn State, even Michigan State or Ole Miss on TV against some happless Sun Belt school and still get decent ratings.

In contrast outside of Colorado which has historically drawn solid numbers, even before Prime, most B12 schools alone don't move the needle much.

Games against HBCUs are an interesting concept and might for a year or two draw some curiosity viewers but over time it's hard to see them being successful from a ratings standpoint. This is important because in negotiating future media contracts the biggest data point is the current ratings. This again is why the SEC and B1G schools get much more that B12 and ACC schools do.

It might be a better concept to apply to basketball. Most power conference schools schedule some games against lower D1 schools early anyways. This might be a way of generating some interest in those games that would help the B12 schools and the HBCUs.
 
I 1000% agree that strength of schedule matters. But there has to be some sort calculus for “attempting” a tough schedule, even if it doesn’t pan out…I’m looking at ND in this situation (I’d say Texas falls into this category as well). The opposite would be Boise St - just scheduling, and losing to, Oregon shouldn’t be the only thing their SOS rests on.
Agree. For instance, if CU had scheduled to play Florida State this season, there should be consideration for that in the SOS evaluation. Perception heading into the year would have been a top ten program with a top ten team taking the field. Computers would say it's a worse schedule than if someone like Duke had been scheduled instead, and that seems somewhat unfair. For that reason, I give Texas much more love than most by scheduling an away game at Michigan and dominating them.
 
I 1000% agree that strength of schedule matters. But there has to be some sort calculus for “attempting” a tough schedule, even if it doesn’t pan out…I’m looking at ND in this situation (I’d say Texas falls into this category as well). The opposite would be Boise St - just scheduling, and losing to, Oregon shouldn’t be the only thing their SOS rests on.
Boise State would be 6-5 right now if they played in the Big12.
 
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Boise State would be 7-4 right now if they played in the Big12.
I think they are a clearly worse than Kansas. Based on SOS, that's a 3 win team but it also could be a 7-8 win team. You get a top 15 schedule and your season can go up in flames
 
I think they are a clearly worse than Kansas. Based on SOS, that's a 3 win team but it also could be a 7-8 win team. You get a top 15 schedule and your season can go up in flames
Looking at it this way, if they played their non-con and our conference schedule, I'd say they are 6-5 right now and Jeanty has 1500 yards and is really on no one's radar.
 
I think they are a clearly worse than Kansas. Based on SOS, that's a 3 win team but it also could be a 7-8 win team. You get a top 15 schedule and your season can go up in flames
Just as Notre Dame used to take full advantage of being an independent in their scheduling Boise takes full advantage of knowing that with a MWC schedule they only have to really prepare for a few games each year.

Oregon didn't schedule a tough OOC (Idaho, Boise, Oregon State) but they knew that they had to focus on upcoming B1G games including tOSU, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin,

Boise knew that if they could beat Oregon the rest of their schedule would be fairly easy. They focused on the Ducks the entire off-season, they scheduled Georgia Southern before and a bye after.

Looking head to head Boise matches up well against a lot of the B12 teams in a one off game. Playing a season though is different. If Boise had to play a whole season of P4 opponents I think they would break down and a 5-7 win season would be likely.
 
The only way the Big 12 is going to be looked at with more respect is if multiple Big 12 teams beat multiple SEC/Big 10 teams in CFP games over the course of several seasons. It can't just be one team, even if say CU or BYU did it 3 out of 4 years. It would have to be like CU, BYU, KSU, ASU, etc. Which is even harder when the Big 12 is going to get max 2 teams, probably more likely 1 year over year until it gains that potential respect.

It's hard. We are, for better or worse, the truck stop conference. It wasn't helped that Utah shat themselves this year, that ISU and BYU fell apart in November, and that we lost on Saturday. If BYU, ISU, and CU had won out, we could have had 2 teams in the playoff. There's a better than 50% chance now that the Big 12 champ will be the 12 seed and be promptly stomped in Columbus or Eugene, which will make the conference look even worse. But it is what it is. If the Big 12 wants to be viewed as better, the top teams have to be better.
 
Just as Notre Dame used to take full advantage of being an independent in their scheduling Boise takes full advantage of knowing that with a MWC schedule they only have to really prepare for a few games each year.

Oregon didn't schedule a tough OOC (Idaho, Boise, Oregon State) but they knew that they had to focus on upcoming B1G games including tOSU, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin,

Boise knew that if they could beat Oregon the rest of their schedule would be fairly easy. They focused on the Ducks the entire off-season, they scheduled Georgia Southern before and a bye after.

Looking head to head Boise matches up well against a lot of the B12 teams in a one off game. Playing a season though is different. If Boise had to play a whole season of P4 opponents I think they would break down and a 5-7 win season would be likely.
Haha. I’ve tried making that argument. Boise apologists will hear none of it!
 
With our schedule, I think that's a 4 win team

On the other hand, you play the games that are on your schedule. The rules say 5 conference champs get it. Boise has played the games that were on their schedule and they've handled their business. Does it suck that they get in with an easier schedule than P4 teams? Sure. But A&M has had an objectively harder schedule than ASU. If ASU gets in and A&M doesn't, what's their argument?

The moral of the story is win your games.
 
On the other hand, you play the games that are on your schedule. The rules say 5 conference champs get it. Boise has played the games that were on their schedule and they've handled their business. Does it suck that they get in with an easier schedule than P4 teams? Sure. But A&M has had an objectively harder schedule than ASU. If ASU gets in and A&M doesn't, what's their argument?

The moral of the story is win your games.
I think what I take from it is - 12 teams is too many. Too many mediocre teams are going to get a chance. ASU has no business being in the same tournament as Oregon, UGA, or a couple others. Nor does Tulane, Boise.
 
On the other hand, you play the games that are on your schedule. The rules say 5 conference champs get it. Boise has played the games that were on their schedule and they've handled their business. Does it suck that they get in with an easier schedule than P4 teams? Sure. But A&M has had an objectively harder schedule than ASU. If ASU gets in and A&M doesn't, what's their argument?

The moral of the story is win your games.
Arizona State SOS is 33rd and A&M is 28th by sarigin. That's not anywhere close to how trash Boise schedule is to either of these teams.
 
Arizona State SOS is 33rd and A&M is 28th by sarigin. That's not anywhere close to how trash Boise schedule is to either of these teams.

True, but the point still stands. The rules are what they are. 5 champs get in, Boise is going to get in and get a better seed than the BIg 12 champ because of those rules. At least one SEC/Big Ten team will get left out for a lesser Big 12 champ because of the rules.

The way that you earn you way in, in spite of the rules, is to win your games.

But I also think a 12 team playoff is a little bit like the NCAA tournament - we can argue about who deserves to be in and where they deserve to be seeded, but the best teams will be in and they will be able to play their way into the semis/final. Especially because college football isn't like college basketball. There is very little chance of a 10 seed 'getting hot' and winning it all.
 
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I think what I take from it is - 12 teams is too many. Too many mediocre teams are going to get a chance. ASU has no business being in the same tournament as Oregon, UGA, or a couple others. Nor does Tulane, Boise.
I completely disagree. Typically, the top team is vastly better than everyone else, but I am not sure that is the case this year. Now with the transfer portal, NIL, etc. you are going to see a lot more parity than we've ever seen before. This is just the first year, so it'll change for the better.
 
I think what I take from it is - 12 teams is too many. Too many mediocre teams are going to get a chance. ASU has no business being in the same tournament as Oregon, UGA, or a couple others. Nor does Tulane, Boise.
Boise lost to Oregon by 3 this season.

Why doesn't a 10-2/11-2 ASU team belong in the same tournament as Oregon or Georgia? Because CFB media has told you countless times that non SEC or B1G programs belong in the same tournament?

Even if the tournament goes chalk and the Semi-Finals are Oregon, Texas, Ohio State and Georgia (for example), the 12 team playoff will have given us more meaningful matchups between nationally relevant programs than ever before.
 
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