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If Prime Were To Leave
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The reason it was toxic is because other than AD specific resources the school (embodied by empty suit Phil) was not willing to invest anything in football.
No consideration on admissions, no consideration on transfer credits, no consideration on class schedules, and certainly no resources that would cost, you know, money.
Those were the things that were getting former CU coaches to warn others off, and that appears to have changed.
Which means that I don't believe the school will have that same baggage anymore.
If Prime can’t make it work? Sorry, but was he considered a cant miss coaching hire? Are you suggesting this is the University’s fault?
Prime was a guy with 3 total years of HBCU coaching experience when we hired him. He and Shedeur gained a relationship with a generational recruit and he made headlines for his recruiting ability because he convinced Travis to sign w JSU. His shortcomings and lack of experience as a coach was supposed to be made up by his talent acquisition abilities, but has he really lived up to those expectations through 2.5 recruiting cycles? He had no college Rolodex for hiring qualified coaches, but again, we all thought it was exclusively the Jimmy’s and Joes not the X’s and O’s so nobody really cared.
This hire always came with risks, but we all chose to ignore what those risks truly were because of where this program was. We all defended the portal heavy strategy and we **** on national analysts for “not believing”. Truth is, he is a media/marketing mogul, that doesn’t put much personal effort into recruiting and isn’t qualified to be a P4 OC or P4 DC.
The University has done everything it can and far more than most P4 programs of CU’s level. If the university commitment continues, there shouldn’t be a problem being a good P4 coach in the Post-Prime world.
It could be worse, we could be UCLA football right about now.
I just saw the score and was about to post the same thing. They are going 0-12
This is a great job and we could get a very good coach quite easily. Support is all in line now and its a new day. I think Prime needs to call Saban and let him tell him what to do stat
Cignetti's name was floated after Dorell was canned.
There's a thousand ways to go. Just get someone with a clear, and executable philosophy.
I still think Prime was a great hire. His weaknesses are at the fore at this moment, really interested to see if he can keep this team motivated and what development and retention we see from the underclassmen.
There's a thousand ways to go. Just get someone with a clear, and executable philosophy.
I still think Prime was a great hire. His weaknesses are at the fore at this moment, really interested to see if he can keep this team motivated and what development and retention we see from the underclassmen.
At least UCLA got lucky with a non-stop ticket to the Big10 with the prestige, $$$ and security.
did all that money look like it was helping at all last night?
You know what all that publicly known money does do? It entices greedy coaches and their agents to give themselves raises.
If I was CU, I'd love to be in their position right now.
Prime needs to fix the offense first.
He needs to do similar to his first hire with Sean Lewis and hire a can’t miss rock star.
He needs to do similar to his first hire with Sean Lewis and hire a can’t miss rock star.
Of course you would. Playing in a bunch of states with no alums and terrible weather, destined to be a perennial conference speed bump like NU. UCLA will NEVER win the B1G. You know who will? Ohio State, Michigan, sometimes Penn St. Maybe Oregon wins. Maybe.
You guys are all over there in the cord cutter thread trying to figure out how you can give the TV ****s more money to further wreck the wasteland college football has become.
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It will be an insurmountable advantage for B1G & SEC members when their pay scales for players can be double any other FBS conference member while still having double the revenue available for other things than anyone from any other FBS conference.
In other words: schools like Colorado will be to Rutgers what Delaware is to Colorado.
Prime wants to be a CEO coach and he thought Shurmur of all people would be the right veteran NFL guy to help run the O and it has backfired spectacularly. I think Livingston’s group will improve.
I would give Salter what he wants and run a more NFL offense, but make sure he knows he needs to run and make sure that offense is ready for juju and whoever he wants as offensive coordinator
I would give Salter what he wants and run a more NFL offense, but make sure he knows he needs to run and make sure that offense is ready for juju and whoever he wants as offensive coordinator
lol no he wasn’t a can’t miss coaching hire. And no, it was the right hire. In what world did you gather that I think a risk = university at fault? I think you’re being disingenuous if you’re acting like you don’t know what I mean. But he has the kind of pull that should be able to get huge donor buy in and end up with better recruiting results than we’ve seen. Sure the donors have stepped up but it’s painfully obvious we are getting out bid quite often. If the donors won’t step up for Prime, they won’t step up period. We just don’t have the base. If he’s fired, he has the contacts and influence to steer people clear of this job. And I believe plenty of coaches will simply look and say “he couldn’t pull elite talent in, I’ll go somewhere that it’s easier to do so”. Not to mention, he managed to convince us to make him one of the highest paid coaches in the country and this is what we get on the field in year 3? What other coach with an Overall 13-12 record could have convinced the university to shell that much out? This hire had different risks than others, I thought that was obvious.
I expected a thread like this would show up today.
CP is paid over 10mm per year, putting him in the top 10 in CFB. absent further health issues, he isn't leaving.
his economic impact for CU and the community of Boulder has been amazing.
the question we need to be addressing is how do we help make sure that the product on the field reflects our investment.
we are all in on this. ratings, media attention, and economic impact matter a lot when we are trying to get out of this dog **** conference down the road. the cornerstone of everything has to be a winning program. what do we do to make that happen?
if I were RG I would build a freaking fortress around CP and fill it with the best and brightest and most innovative people we can find across multiple disciplines.
CP is paid over 10mm per year, putting him in the top 10 in CFB. absent further health issues, he isn't leaving.
his economic impact for CU and the community of Boulder has been amazing.
the question we need to be addressing is how do we help make sure that the product on the field reflects our investment.
we are all in on this. ratings, media attention, and economic impact matter a lot when we are trying to get out of this dog **** conference down the road. the cornerstone of everything has to be a winning program. what do we do to make that happen?
if I were RG I would build a freaking fortress around CP and fill it with the best and brightest and most innovative people we can find across multiple disciplines.
If he wanted to use it, CP has a 'pass' for what happens the first few games. He was very ill and in Texas for 3+ months he would normally have been in Boulder, coaching.
Who did he leave in charge?
I think he stays at CU, but wouldn't be surprised if he followed his spiritual interests and did some Bill McC stuff too.
Who did he leave in charge?
I think he stays at CU, but wouldn't be surprised if he followed his spiritual interests and did some Bill McC stuff too.
What am I missing? How does the defense keep getting overlooked? We have a worse run defense than the cardboard era.
This is the correct take.
Prime was THE hire that we DESPERATELY needed to STOP the slide into irrelevance. And an added bonus to hiring him was he brought a bunch playing talent with him. Talent thats now all graduated.
We already had that problem where coaches and players were avoiding us. Now that its about buying players outright maybe its a little easier for us. But thats not looking to be the case.
At this point in the journey were on we the advature will end with about 6-8 teams in the USA that will ALWAYS win the NC. And thats it. Why? Because those schools have the alums to buy the best players and best coaches. The rest of the programs will be saturday highlights after they motor boat us. CFB is essentially over as we knew it.
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I don't think that it true. the defense has been really bad and inconsistent but we have a lot more talent than back then and it isn't even close. especially upfront...
our D got gashed early and then it wore out. fritz had a great gameplay and they wore us down. we had a ton of critical red zone stops that they converted to only FGs.
the defense isn't good, yet. but we have some pieces to work from. offense is terrifying to me right now.
You said, if Prime can’t do it we’ll have a hard time attracting good coaches. I took that as “if Prime can’t do it, no one can” and I think that’s a weird take. Do you feel like our talent level right now exceeds anything that another good coach/recruiter could pull in? Maybe not Juju and Seaton but everyone else? Would another coach with a legitimate system and great playcalling ability be able to elevate this talent to be successful?
He’s done wonderful at raising the talent level in the problem. The athletes just look so much better.
The real problem is we need a college style system to plug those athletes into. Build discipline and fundamentals and real strategy, instead of a BS match-up pro-style concepts. Those can only work at the NFL and Alabama level. No reason with the talent Prime brings in, we couldn’t go 9-3 every year running pure Read Option.
The real problem is we need a college style system to plug those athletes into. Build discipline and fundamentals and real strategy, instead of a BS match-up pro-style concepts. Those can only work at the NFL and Alabama level. No reason with the talent Prime brings in, we couldn’t go 9-3 every year running pure Read Option.
His Atlanta years in the NFL point to someone who will try to find another gear to turn it around and grind... as long as the organization is committed to winning. If they prove they're not committed, he will leave for a situation that has the commitment. Also, paying him top dollar is a significant factor in how he perceives said commitment.
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Feels like an Embree run defense. Huge swaths of field wide open.