If you were RG, what facilities project would you prioritize?

[MiamiBuffs]

To compete in college football.

I think the game is already started on the path to its end. I already deeply dislike where it is now and I know Im not alone. Once ‘my team’ for the average fan is shut out those fans will fade away. Audience is everything. They’ll be 20 name recognition teams at the end. Its just a matter of time now.

 

[Tony G.]

Never heard of them

then I guess they are already getting their money's worth

 

[4BienemyTDs]

I think the game is already started on the path to its end. I already deeply dislike where it is now and I know Im not alone. Once ‘my team’ for the average fan is shut out those fans will fade away. Audience is everything. They’ll be 20 name recognition teams at the end. Its just a matter of time now.

That is a catastrophic ending that can happen, but has to be stopped. Amazing where the sport could go, pray they take a step back and save it.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

That is a catastrophic ending that can happen, but has to be stopped. Amazing where the sport could go, pray they take a step back and save it.

Good luck. You cant get back to where we were without some kind of equal revenue sharing that puts everyone back on equal footing. The only way I see a return to parity is the NCAA granted power again and exclusively controls TV rights for all as well as the post season. Something the ‘in club’ will now never ever agree to. It’s just a matter of time as to when/if they take another round of expansion teams. When they do yet another conference will die.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

Good luck. You cant get back to where we were without some kind of equal revenue sharing that puts everyone back on equal footing. The only way I see a return to parity is the NCAA granted power again and exclusively controls TV rights for all as well as the post season. Something the ‘in club’ will now never ever agree to. It’s just a matter of time as to when/if they take another round of expansion teams. When they do yet another conference will die.

The ACC is dead

The Big12 is not good enough for a P3

The Big12 and ACC need to both break up and the cream rises to the top based on a Streamers (Amazon or Netflix) decision of what they want

Here is my IN Crowd and OUT of Luck Crowd

The "Prime" Conference



The Out of Luck Conference

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

The ACC is dead

The Big12 is not good enough for a P3

The Big12 and ACC need to both break up and the cream rises to the top based on a Streamers (Amazon or Netflix) decision of what they want

Here is my IN Crowd and OUT of Luck Crowd

The "Prime" Conference

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The Out of Luck Conference

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Virginia isn't getting left out of anything. Oklahoma State and Kansas State also aren't getting left out. Arizona is iffy because they have a highly coveted basketball program (I can agree they get left out if football is the only consideration). I'm also skeptical of Duke, TCU, NC State being left out. SMU is kind of a wild card. I don't think anyone really cares about them, but they have blue blood-level money and have gotten fairly competitive pretty quickly. Houston is the one from your "in" list that I don't really see being a priority to include.

My "in" list for a 20 team conference would be: Notre Dame (mostly a pipe dream), Clemson, Miami, UNC, Colorado, GT, ASU, Arizona, Utah, BYU, WVU, Virginia, VT, TTU, KSU, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, NC State, and Duke.

Out: Baylor, ISU, Houston, UCF, Pitt, SMU, Cuse, Wake, BC, Cal*, Stanford* and Cincy

*I don't see any appeal for Stanford in a world where football is a heavy focus. The only caveat here is that any chance to get Notre Dame to join this conference might be that Stanford is involved. Possibly Cal as well, strictly to have another academic peer involved.

 

[hokiehead]

The ACC is dead

The Big12 is not good enough for a P3

The Big12 and ACC need to both break up and the cream rises to the top based on a Streamers (Amazon or Netflix) decision of what they want

Here is my IN Crowd and OUT of Luck Crowd

The "Prime" Conference

View attachment 88065

The Out of Luck Conference

View attachment 88066

I don't see a realistic scenario where VT is in and UVA is out

 

[4BienemyTDs]

Virginia isn't getting left out of anything. Oklahoma State and Kansas State also aren't getting left out. Arizona is iffy because they have a highly coveted basketball program (I can agree they get left out if football is the only consideration). I'm also skeptical of Duke, TCU, NC State being left out. SMU is kind of a wild card. I don't think anyone really cares about them, but they have blue blood-level money and have gotten fairly competitive pretty quickly. Houston is the one from your "in" list that I don't really see being a priority to include.

My "in" list for a 20 team conference would be: Notre Dame (mostly a pipe dream), Clemson, Miami, UNC, Colorado, GT, ASU, Arizona, Utah, BYU, WVU, Virginia, VT, TTU, KSU, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, NC State, and Duke.

Out: Baylor, ISU, Houston, UCF, Pitt, SMU, Cuse, Wake, BC, Cal*, Stanford* and Cincy

*I don't see any appeal for Stanford in a world where football is a heavy focus. The only caveat here is that any chance to get Notre Dame to join this conference might be that Stanford is involved. Possibly Cal as well, strictly to have another academic peer involved.

Be sure to only think of this through the lens of a Media Expert
Market, Population, DMA
Brand, Growth, History
Time Zones for Game Distribution

Kansas State has no value
Virginia Tech is a better historic brand than UVA
NC State is a massive duplicate
Arizona is a major duplicate, but yes, Basketball would help, but this is just Football
Oklahoma State is a duplicate in a small state
TCU might have value in Texas and was one of my last outs
Duke is a Basketball School

 

[CarolinaBuff]

Good luck. You cant get back to where we were without some kind of equal revenue sharing that puts everyone back on equal footing. The only way I see a return to parity is the NCAA granted power again and exclusively controls TV rights for all as well as the post season. Something the ‘in club’ will now never ever agree to. It’s just a matter of time as to when/if they take another round of expansion teams. When they do yet another conference will die.

A return to parity? There's never been parity in college football.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Be sure to only think of this through the lens of a Media Expert
Market, Population, DMA
Brand, Growth, History
Time Zones for Game Distribution

Kansas State has no value
Virginia Tech is a better historic brand than UVA
NC State is a massive duplicate
Arizona is a major duplicate, but yes, Basketball would help, but this is just Football
Oklahoma State is a duplicate in a small state
TCU might have value in Texas and was one of my last outs
Duke is a Basketball School

The future of College Football media, and live sports in general, is likely going to move to some sort of PPV subscription service. Whether it's a subscription through FOX, ESPN/Disney+, NBC, CBS, Amazon, Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, HBO Max, etc, the likely model is going to force people to either PPV on individual, marquee games, or subscribe to some sort of conference or maybe individual program season package. This is going to almost entirely deemphasize the importance of metro area population and current TV market system. What's going to matter is program brand; history, success, willingness to compete, marketability, etc.

Saturation in a state won't matter one bit because the current TV market system won't matter. Programs like Oklahoma State and Kansas State have a legitimate mid tier brand in the CFB world and both (especially OSU) typically rate reasonably well and are routinely on national slots. Virginia is the flagship University in a recruiting hotbed and they are a candidate for B1G expansion. I can agree with you on Arizona, Duke and NC State if all that is being considered is football, but Duke as an institution does bring a brand name to the table, even if they aren't historically a football school.

Again, the Big 12/ACC/ND merger happening to become a legitimate P3 almost entirely hinges on Notre Dame being willing to join and while it's a major long shot for that to happen, I think the only real chance is if other institutions that they view as peer institutions are part of it, which means Duke, Stanford and Cal.

 

[skibum]

Be sure to only think of this through the lens of a Media Expert
Market, Population, DMA
Brand, Growth, History
Time Zones for Game Distribution

Kansas State has no value
Virginia Tech is a better historic brand than UVA
NC State is a massive duplicate
Arizona is a major duplicate, but yes, Basketball would help, but this is just Football
Oklahoma State is a duplicate in a small state
TCU might have value in Texas and was one of my last outs
Duke is a Basketball School

UVA has impressive pull in the DC metro area, much more so than MD, and the Big10 thought enough of the media market to take MD - part of the reason UVA isn't likely out in any realistic scenario. VirginiaTech doesn't really bring any metro area: third place in DC is about as high as they get.

Also, my assumption all along was that b10 tried first for UVA, found out that UVA was too loyal / tied to the ACC and maybe VTech, and settled for MD as their 2nd choice.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

The future of College Football media, and live sports in general, is likely going to move to some sort of PPV subscription service. Whether it's a subscription through FOX, ESPN/Disney+, NBC, CBS, Amazon, Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, HBO Max, etc, the likely model is going to force people to either PPV on individual, marquee games, or subscribe to some sort of conference or maybe individual program season package. This is going to almost entirely deemphasize the importance of metro area population and current TV market system. What's going to matter is program brand; history, success, willingness to compete, marketability, etc.

Saturation in a state won't matter one bit because the current TV market system won't matter. Programs like Oklahoma State and Kansas State have a legitimate mid tier brand in the CFB world and both (especially OSU) typically rate reasonably well and are routinely on national slots. Virginia is the flagship University in a recruiting hotbed and they are a candidate for B1G expansion. I can agree with you on Arizona, Duke and NC State if all that is being considered is football, but Duke as an institution does bring a brand name to the table, even if they aren't historically a football school.

Again, the Big 12/ACC/ND merger happening to become a legitimate P3 almost entirely hinges on Notre Dame being willing to join and while it's a major long shot for that to happen, I think the only real chance is if other institutions that they view as peer institutions are part of it, which means Duke, Stanford and Cal.

TV alone will not fund the programs, they will need concerts, sponsors, other unique revenue sources.
I think the Cosm model will be coming in hard to households, and I am also not seeing traveling announcing crews and really expensive announcers (Sorry Klatt and Fowler) because I would bet a lot of money that they are very low on viewer satisfaction.

Besides Colorado the past 2 years, nobody in the Big12 rates worth a crap, and even some of the ACC are weak.

The best move is to have as many big games as possible every single week at a good game time, that is why I feel that a balanced Time Zone spread is very valuable, and my 16 teams are spread nicely across the zones.

No doubt Notre Dame wants its peer institutions, but Football is now a separate beast and in order to compete with the P2, these top brands, especially Notre Dame need to get together instead of being #20 or #24 in the B1G. Notre Dame would own this new conference, but the other teams bring a lot to the table.

I would not fight a swap of UVA for VT at all
Oklahoma State is just not valuable enough in that god forsaken state, but it does fill an adjacent state
I could squeeze to 20 if forced to do it, but man would it have to pay off in the total TV deal with Amazon and/or Netflix

You also want good games with the other P3 conferences and schedules are going to matter. No more G6 games would be worth it, except maybe a Spring Game package

Green is obviously the B1G and Red is the SEC

 

[4BienemyTDs]

Put a COSM screen on your entire living room wall and have the cameras at field level at Folsom, I would pay $20 per game for that!!!

Cosm | We Power Immersive Experiences Around the World

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www.cosm.com

 

[buffs233]

BOK is a good sized regional bank with almost zero connections to Colorado or to CU. But money is money, I guess.

This is inaccurate. BOK acquired CoBiz Financial 5+ years ago, which was a sizable Denver-based financial institution. BOK still has a large presence in Denver and wants to grow in Colorado. Since this is a very competitive banking market, I can see why BOK was attracted to this opportunity.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

A return to parity? There's never been parity in college football.

Colorado, Miami and Oregon were once upon a time dumps that few of their peers respected. Once the right coach came along and they started winning other schools started avoiding them. That kind of possibility of a breakout for lesser schools is over. They dont have the money for the players let alone the coach.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

The future of College Football media, and live sports in general, is likely going to move to some sort of PPV subscription service. Whether it's a subscription through FOX, ESPN/Disney+, NBC, CBS, Amazon, Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, HBO Max, etc, the likely model is going to force people to either PPV on individual, marquee games, or subscribe to some sort of conference or maybe individual program season package. This is going to almost entirely deemphasize the importance of metro area population and current TV market system. What's going to matter is program brand; history, success, willingness to compete, marketability, etc.

Saturation in a state won't matter one bit because the current TV market system won't matter. Programs like Oklahoma State and Kansas State have a legitimate mid tier brand in the CFB world and both (especially OSU) typically rate reasonably well and are routinely on national slots. Virginia is the flagship University in a recruiting hotbed and they are a candidate for B1G expansion. I can agree with you on Arizona, Duke and NC State if all that is being considered is football, but Duke as an institution does bring a brand name to the table, even if they aren't historically a football school.

Again, the Big 12/ACC/ND merger happening to become a legitimate P3 almost entirely hinges on Notre Dame being willing to join and while it's a major long shot for that to happen, I think the only real chance is if other institutions that they view as peer institutions are part of it, which means Duke, Stanford and Cal.

The way schools use football to turbo charge enrollment might prevent PPV from happening. I agree that this could where things are headed.

The move is not without danger since once you go PPV you lose the chance to brand new (young) viewers. Boxing comes to mind.

 

[Buff fanatic]

Update: College football is dead, Prime is dying, someone took CU out of their will.

Things are really looking up on allbuffs!

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

The way schools use football to turbo charge enrollment might prevent PPV from happening. I agree that this could where things are headed.

The move is not without danger since once you go PPV you lose the chance to brand new (young) viewers. Boxing comes to mind.

I don't think it will be 100% PPV on an individual game basis, but I believe the biggest games of the season could ultimately go to that model. I look at UFC for this model...

A quick Google search shows UFC 229 (McGregor vs Nurmegomedov) generated $180m from 2.4m buys (highest earning UFC event). Can you imagine what Michigan vs Ohio State or Alabama vs Georgia or Texas vs OU, etc would generate? I doubt a provider would charge $75-$80 per game, but there would likely be 5-6x the buys for one of those games and I could see a $20 PPV cost with 10m+ buyers where the network or service makes $200m in revenue from a single game.

We're already seeing them test the waters with multiple good CFB matchups going to Peacock, along with the NFL putting TNF and now a playoff game exclusively on Prime with at multiple other games during the season on Peacock and Netflix.

I think it's obvious that the live sports model is moving toward some kind PPV system. Only question is whether it stays in the realm of streaming providers like Prime, NBC/Peacock, Netflix, etc or if they start experimenting with the full blown UFC PPV model for the biggest matchups.

 

[CitizenKane]

I don't think it will be 100% PPV on an individual game basis, but I believe the biggest games of the season could ultimately go to that model. I look at UFC for this model...

A quick Google search shows UFC 229 (McGregor vs Nurmegomedov) generated $180m from 2.4m buys (highest earning UFC event). Can you imagine what Michigan vs Ohio State or Alabama vs Georgia or Texas vs OU, etc would generate? I doubt a provider would charge $75-$80 per game, but there would likely be 5-6x the buys for one of those games and I could see a $20 PPV cost with 10m+ buyers where the network or service makes $200m in revenue from a single game.

We're already seeing them test the waters with multiple good CFB matchups going to Peacock, along with the NFL putting TNF and now a playoff game exclusively on Prime with at multiple other games during the season on Peacock and Netflix.

I think it's obvious that the live sports model is moving toward some kind PPV system. Only question is whether it stays in the realm of streaming providers like Prime, NBC/Peacock, Netflix, etc or if they start experimenting with the full blown UFC PPV model for the biggest matchups.

Full ppv would have me finding other things in life to enjoy. I haven’t used ppv to watch even one sporting event in my life and I won’t start now.

 

[Buffnik]

Full ppv would have me finding other things in life to enjoy. I haven’t used ppv to watch even one sporting event in my life and I won’t start now.

I would drop xfinity if I didn't need it for sports programming on terrestrial networks. Depends on how much we're talking per broadcast, though. Anything over 5 bucks to watch a CU football game and I'm probably going to a sports bar.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

I would drop xfinity if I didn't need it for sports programming on terrestrial networks. Depends on how much we're talking per broadcast, though. Anything over 5 bucks to watch a CU football game and I'm probably going to a sports bar.

A sports bar where you're going to spend $6 per beer or $3 per non-alcoholic beverage (generous assumptions), plus another $25-$30 on food? You can't go sit at a sports bar for 3.5 hours without dropping at least $40-$50 + tax and tip. That doesn't even consider the inconvenience and comfort factor.

I think the baseline threshold where it makes sense to go to a bar for a PPV Buffs game, especially if they are competitive or it's a big matchup, is at least $50. I don't think that's where a single regular season game would be priced in this model, but you're lying to yourself if you say anything over $5 would send you to a sports bar to watch.

 

[hokiehead]

Full ppv would have me finding other things in life to enjoy. I haven’t used ppv to watch even one sporting event in my life and I won’t start now.

this. I don't see a situation where I'd pay PPV rates for watching a game home alone, other than CU or VT, including the CFP games. Maybe if a bunch of friends pitched in for a watch party or something.

I envision that model would degrade interest in the sport.

 

[Buffnik]

A sports bar where you're going to spend $6 per beer or $3 per non-alcoholic beverage (generous assumptions), plus another $25-$30 on food? You can't go sit at a sports bar for 3.5 hours without dropping at least $40-$50 + tax and tip. That doesn't even consider the inconvenience and comfort factor.

I think the baseline threshold where it makes sense to go to a bar for a PPV Buffs game, especially if they are competitive or it's a big matchup, is at least $50. I don't think that's where a single regular season game would be priced in this model, but you're lying to yourself if you say anything over $5 would send you to a sports bar to watch.

I've got to eat anyway and I enjoy the experience either meeting friends or making new ones.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

I've got to eat anyway and I enjoy the experience either meeting friends or making new ones.

Then it's not really a PPV cost issue but rather a preference of venue, atmosphere and company while watching a Buffs game.

 

[Buffnik]

Then it's not really a PPV cost issue but rather a preference of venue, atmosphere and company while watching a Buffs game.

If that's how you want to phrase not being willing to sit on my couch and pay more to watch one game on tv than a monthly basic cable bill costs, well alrighty then.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

If that's how you want to phrase not being willing to sit on my couch and pay more to watch one game on tv than a monthly basic cable bill costs, well alrighty then.

You say that anything more than $5 would send you to a bar where you will easily spend 10x that amount on food and beverage to watch one game, and that's just if you go by yourself. Bring your family and you're easily over $100.

So, yes, in the context of this conversation, it's disingenuous to say it's about the cost.

 

[Buffnik]

You say that anything more than $5 would send you to a bar where you will easily spend 10x that amount on food and beverage to watch one game, and that's just if you go by yourself. Bring your family and you're easily over $100.

So, yes, in the context of this conversation, it's disingenuous to say it's about the cost.

It's about value. Cost is half of the equation.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

It's about value. Cost is half of the equation.

So $5/game is enough value to continue watching at home, but $10/game and there's more value at a bar? I would agree with you if you said your "go to bar" tipping point was a PPV cost of $30+ per game or something, I guess, but $5 being your tipping point feels like you're just trying to make a point.

Btw, I'm not trying to be pedantic about your personal preferences, but I think this broader conversation is relevant as the media landscape moves more in that direction.

 

[Buffnik]

So $5/game is enough value to continue watching at home, but $10/game and there's more value at a bar? I would agree with you if you said your "go to bar" tipping point was a PPV cost of $30+ per game or something, I guess, but $5 being your tipping point feels like you're just trying to make a point.

Btw, I'm not trying to be pedantic about your personal preferences, but I think this broader conversation is relevant as the media landscape moves more in that direction.

$5/game when I generally watch CFB all day?

Even picking 1 game per week, that's $20-$25 per month - much more than any app I subscribe to.

 

[hokiehead]

$5/game when I generally watch CFB all day?

Even picking 1 game per week, that's $20-$25 per month - much more than any app I subscribe to.

and the idea of flipping channels between three interesting games you only marginally care about is likely dead on arrival