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Is CU building to be the next Stanford?

Buffs61

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It is starting to look like it could be. With the recent new hires of Sanford and DeVan and do not forget Turley, HCKD is building what he has stated he envisioned for CU. Are we in the beginning rebuilding years like Stanford? If we could ever get to Stanford’s level of success like under Harbaugh and early Shaw years…..I would be all in. Not flashy, but dominant!

Turley said his strength and conditioning program would take a couple of years to see the results. It will be interesting to see if there is a noticeable change in year 2.

Obviously, there is a bunch of huge ifs. Getting the players in at CU to fit this new direction is crucial. Definitely need to hit the Portal hard short term and recruit to this new philosophy long-term. CU desperately needs a real identity.
 
Really, there are a number of current teams that have figured out how to emphasize downhill, power running with modern concepts. Ironically, that’s pretty much what Mel Tucker seemed to be attempting in his brief time in Boulder. If that’s what CU is trying to do, probably some better templates than the actual Stanford offense from ten years ago.
 
Don’t we have a three game winning streak against Stanford? What’s next, modeling our system after Kansas?
 
Buffs61 said:
It is starting to look like it could be. With the recent new hires of Sanford and DeVan and do not forget Turley, HCKD is building what he has stated he envisioned for CU. Are we in the beginning rebuilding years like Stanford? If we could ever get to Stanford’s level of success like under Harbaugh and early Shaw years…..I would be all in. Not flashy, but dominant!

Turley said his strength and conditioning program would take a couple of years to see the results. It will be interesting to see if there is a noticeable change in year 2.

Obviously, there is a bunch of huge ifs. Getting the players in at CU to fit this new direction is crucial. Definitely need to hit the Portal hard short term and recruit to this new philosophy long-term. CU desperately needs a real identity.
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Nope.
 
We are building to the Stanford model.... Our ceiling is Tyrone Willingham though and not Harbaugh/Shaw with our likely outcome being Teevens.... and our floor is "holy **** this makes Embree years look good"
 
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Buffs61 said:
It is starting to look like it could be. With the recent new hires of Sanford and DeVan and do not forget Turley, HCKD is building what he has stated he envisioned for CU. Are we in the beginning rebuilding years like Stanford? If we could ever get to Stanford’s level of success like under Harbaugh and early Shaw years…..I would be all in. Not flashy, but dominant!

Turley said his strength and conditioning program would take a couple of years to see the results. It will be interesting to see if there is a noticeable change in year 2.

Obviously, there is a bunch of huge ifs. Getting the players in at CU to fit this new direction is crucial. Definitely need to hit the Portal hard short term and recruit to this new philosophy long-term. CU desperately needs a real identity.
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Something something “even if I don’t got pro, I’ve got a Stanford education”.

I’m not thinking we are.
 
The thing about Stanford’s resurgence was that Harbaugh came in and everyone at the school thought he was certifiable, because he made all these demands of the school wrt recruiting and how the program is run that they thought were crazy. That made the school very uncomfortable, but he had some supporters internally that moved the needle. It paid off for them with recruiting and results on the field.

We do not have the prestige of Stanford, our admin is WAY too comfortable, and we have no one challenging them.
 
Stanford is also trying to be Stanford, but it’s hard even for them with all their advantages. Without some significant upgrades with the OL recruitment we can’t get there. You can’t get there just with coaching. Clearly the coaching hires imply that’s the goal, though.
 
I love a power downhill running game, but Harbaugh didn’t have a winning record at Stanford until Andrew Luck took over the qb job.
 
If the plan is to emulate what has worked at places like Stanford and Michigan, I get the reasoning. I've wanted that sort of blueprint.

Both are schools that can't rely on local recruiting, maintain admissions requirements for athletes that are well above the NCAA minimum, don't have athlete paths on academics like at many other places where athletes are hardly on campus if it's not sports related, and refuse to allow creative recruiting that would risk significant NCAA violations.

Within the reality of what CU is demanding from above, those are good programs to emulate to give a path to success.

Somehow we missed the emphasis on recruiting and promotion that was the cornerstone of it working at both places in the Harbaugh vision.
 
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Buffnik said:
If the plan is to emulate what has worked at places like Stanford and Michigan, I get the reasoning. I've wanted that sort of blueprint.

Both are schools that can't rely on local recruiting, maintain admissions requirements for athletes that are well above the NCAA minimum, don't have athlete paths on academics like at many other places where athletes are hardly on campus if it's not sports related, and refuse to allow creative recruiting that would risk significant NCAA violations.

Within the reality of what CU is demanding from above, those are good programs to emulate to give a path to success.

Somehow we missed the emphasis on recruiting and promotion that was the cornerstone of it working at both places in the Harbaugh vision.
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Dorrell isn't the right guy. One thing though-we can't compete with Oregon and USC (Riley is too good a coach to not fix that program-even if the defensive issues he had at OU pop up in LA) right now, so we should forget them until we can get to bowl games regularly and focus on beating the other 9 in living rooms and on the field. That's step one. Records against those teams going back to 2016:

2016: 7-1
2017: 2-6
2018: 2-6
2019: 3-5
2020: 3-1
2021: 3-4

What happened in the years where we put together winning records against the other 9?
 
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ahoelsken said:
Dorrell isn't the right guy. One thing though-we can't compete with Oregon and USC (Riley is too good a coach to not fix that program-even if the defensive issues he had at OU pop up in LA) right now, so we should forget them until we can get to bowl games regularly and focus on beating the other 9 in living rooms and on the field. That's step one.
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I agree with that.

But we're not out-recruiting anyone in the Pac-12 South.

How are we supposed to find 6 wins with the worst talent in our division and an overscheduled non-conference slate of games?

Especially when there's a total aversion to installing non-standard systems which could steal wins through a scheme "gimmick"?
 
Buffnik said:
I agree with that.

But we're not out-recruiting anyone in the Pac-12 South.

How are we supposed to find 6 wins with the worst talent in our division and an overscheduled non-conference slate of games?

Especially when there's a total aversion to installing non-standard systems which could steal wins through a scheme "gimmick"?
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That kind of goes back to the first thing I said in my post-we don't have the right staff in place. I also think you're right on the needing to do something different offensively as well. The smashmouth team Dorrell wants to be would have worked really well in the old Big 12, but its not going to work here. I hate to say this-but if you want somebody who is going to do something different offensively, we're probably needing to go to the Group of 5 ranks for a replacement for Dorrell. That's where this type of innovation happens. Look at what Blake Anderson did at Utah State this year-you don't think the tempo he brought there had something to do with them going from 1-4 last year to 11-3 this year?
 
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ahoelsken said:
That kind of goes back to the first thing I said in my post-we don't have the right staff in place. I also think you're right on the needing to do something different offensively as well-smashmouth football worked under Barnett because the old Big 12 North wasn't good. It won't now because we're 4th or 5th in the South in a good year. Aren't we better off making a run at a guy like Anderson from Utah State when we do finally move on from this current staff?
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I really like what Kansas committed to by bringing Leipold & his staff/system from Buffalo. There's a clear vision there. Anderson could bring that. Another would be Lewis and his Kent State staff/system. (If I'm the AD I'm probably taking control over the initial defensive staff, though. Like how in the NFL they hire these young offensive wizzes & hire them a strong veteran DC to take care of that side for a while.)
 
Buffnik said:
I really like what Kansas committed to by bringing Leipold & his staff/system from Buffalo. There's a clear vision there. Anderson could bring that. Another would be Lewis and his Kent State staff/system. (If I'm the AD I'm probably taking control over the initial defensive staff, though. Like how in the NFL they hire these young offensive wizzes & hire them a strong veteran DC to take care of that side for a while.)
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Lewis I could get behind too. I was impressed with them watching them against A&M. The question is do we understand we need to ignore our past to be successful? Right now, the answer to that is no judging from what I'm seeing. Much as we all like the idea of punching somebody in the mouth, it's not going to work here right now.
 
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