It could be. Look at BYU and the turnaround there. Built through physicality, not a recruiting advantage. That's why I'd be in support of Grimes as our next HC.
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Is CU building to be the next Stanford?
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Why on earth would Grimes come to CU? I think we all need to face the grim reality of what is left of the once mighty Buffalo.
You can still get really good players by focusing on recruiting. This is what a grinder like Grimes would bring. After we win and get a new AD, the money will again flow. That is when we can start competing for even better players.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Maybe-three things though:
1) Didn't Tucker try that in 2019 only to have similar results to FHCMM in 2017 and 2018?
2) BYU having to basically gut their schedule and build one on the fly last year was the best thing that happened to that program. Grimes was the OC there for 3 years-and his first two years there BYU was 7-6.
3) Grimes is at Baylor right now. I don't know if I love that hypothetical move because of that. If we're going with another hot coordinator, I'd rather make a run at Tommy Rees from Notre Dame.
That is why I think Sanford was the best they could get. Nobody with a lot of options is coming to the clown show RG and LC have built.
Several reporters said the guy from Pitt showed interest in the job. We never interviewed him. Probably wasn't vanilla enough.
Sarkisian most certainly was until the AD crapped the bed. Why wouldn't Grimes? We paint a bad picture, but it is still desirable with the correct support.
I think you addressed my question. No support. Grimes has much higher aspirations than CU can provide.
A new AD who actually knows what they’re doing will go a long way.
I meant Grimes as HC, in case anyone was thinking OC.
You guys are confused on your spelling.
Based on our recruiting we are doing a great job recruiting to compete as a 4-7 FCS team.
https://samfordsports.com/sports/football
Based on our recruiting we are doing a great job recruiting to compete as a 4-7 FCS team.
https://samfordsports.com/sports/football
Not sure if you are at all serious with this. I like the thinking though. Do I have much faith CU will do this, umm, hell no. I guess we can wish.
I was thinking for next CU head coach. Why would Grimes come to a program like ours and likely derail his career? Without fundamental changes in our administration, guys like Grimes will not consider CU.
RickGeorgeIsAnIdiot
Member
Jeff Lebby would be an absolute home run...but he wouldn't touch the CU job. His offensive system would be ideal...we could win immediately with our below average talent.
Probably right on that. That is, unless he sought his brother's advice. He was a CU fan.
I am serious. There are a lot of players. Recruiting is largely about relationships. Money obviously helps but a smart coach can leverage their relationship with a player and his family to secure recruits. Are we going to get the absolute best players? Not until we win a few games. People will bring their money back to CU Football if the new AD has a winning vision that includes a coaching staff who can recruit.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Because he’s 53 years old, has never been a HC and would triple his salary to take the HC job at CU. Unless he’s passing up HC opportunities left and right waiting for the ideal job, he’s probably not turning down a 4-5 year fully guaranteed contract (thanks RG) for a P5 head coaching job.
I see what you're saying. Hope you're right. Pretty sure you already know what my cause to pause is.
I think he will be in high demand, and would make a mistake in coming to CU. But we can dream I guess.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Maybe, haven’t really heard his name mentioned at all in the carousel the last few years.
I feel like this would have been the off-season to be going after Herman but that opportunity may not be there next offseason.
Certainly. A lot of things have to go right for CU now that we’ve gone down this path with George/Dorrell. We aren’t doomed but we are up against it. It’ll take solid leadership from a new AD and a solid football coaching hire.
I'm a big Jeff Grimes fan and have posted that in several threads thru the years. When he was here I said he'd be a great head coach. He has the IT FACTOR!
He is a non-mormon who's been to BYU a few times, and he built that offense at BYU and as Buffnik stated, he built it around a style that takes advantage tough linemen. Trench warfare. We have the OL types in Colorado that if we can get better, we can get some of them to stay home and that should be the basis of this program (not unlike Iowa State, Iowa, Wiscy, Minnesota etc). His offense is not trendy, trends tend to fade in a few years as DCs figure out how to match them. I absolutely love what Grimes did at BYU.
Given he's a non-mormon and he's been willing to go across the country and at BYU twice, I absolutely think he'd come back to Boulder to be a Head Coach and he could build a powerhouse here, piece by piece, and it would be a process. No overnight recruiting miracles.
He's never been a head coach. He will leave his current job for a P5 HC job, maybe even a G5 HC job. Although if Aranda leaves, he'd be likely his successor. His wife is from Texas (as is Jeff) so there's a draw perhaps to stay in Texas.
I'd expect he'd bring a key Defensive guy who would be a Pacific Islander and heavily recruit that community that he knows so well from his two trips thru Provo. That's something that Utah and BYU tap big time. I have always thought CU hasn't worked that angle nearly hard enough. Recruit Texas and California/Arizona/Las Vegas and that's it. (And Pacific Islanders wherever they are).
Rick George could have hired him two years ago, but he went for a former Buff with a home in Boulder.
He is a non-mormon who's been to BYU a few times, and he built that offense at BYU and as Buffnik stated, he built it around a style that takes advantage tough linemen. Trench warfare. We have the OL types in Colorado that if we can get better, we can get some of them to stay home and that should be the basis of this program (not unlike Iowa State, Iowa, Wiscy, Minnesota etc). His offense is not trendy, trends tend to fade in a few years as DCs figure out how to match them. I absolutely love what Grimes did at BYU.
Given he's a non-mormon and he's been willing to go across the country and at BYU twice, I absolutely think he'd come back to Boulder to be a Head Coach and he could build a powerhouse here, piece by piece, and it would be a process. No overnight recruiting miracles.
He's never been a head coach. He will leave his current job for a P5 HC job, maybe even a G5 HC job. Although if Aranda leaves, he'd be likely his successor. His wife is from Texas (as is Jeff) so there's a draw perhaps to stay in Texas.
I'd expect he'd bring a key Defensive guy who would be a Pacific Islander and heavily recruit that community that he knows so well from his two trips thru Provo. That's something that Utah and BYU tap big time. I have always thought CU hasn't worked that angle nearly hard enough. Recruit Texas and California/Arizona/Las Vegas and that's it. (And Pacific Islanders wherever they are).
Rick George could have hired him two years ago, but he went for a former Buff with a home in Boulder.
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lawdogg
Club Member
So your plan would have been for Rick George to hire a guy with prior Buff ties, who would attempt to implement a more physical offensive philosophy, but would need time to recruit and develop that kind of roster since overnight recruiting miracles would be unrealistic. Now obviously there are differences, perhaps most notably the ”IT Factor”, but in the broad strokes, isn’t that essentially what George did in hiring KD?
I started to, but realized that was too much to wish for...
No, that would never happen. Look three post before yours.
KDs ties to the Buffs was his resume’s high point.
KD said he wants to build an offense like what Grimes has built. No where do I see that is more than wishful thinking.
Grimes has actually done it.
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BrokenPrinter
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Won't lie Grimes does appeal to me, but at heart I'm tired of trying to run the goddamn football. Literally every coach we have had since Barnett has talked about building a downhill run game.
Hawk was going to pound the rock.
Embree was going to run between the tackles.
MacIntyre ran dives for half a decade and it never really worked out.
Tucker wanted a downhill running game.
KD says that the identity of the offensive is running the football.
We can point to personal foibles/failures for each of these coaches, but each one of them failed to win and they failed to build a consistent offense. Maybe it will work the next time around, but we've had five HC's over the past 15 years trying to run the ball between the tackles and it's still failing. I want to try something different. This is not working.