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Is the PAC12 the Weakest P5 conference this year?

sackman said:
CU has had exactly one coach hired away in its history. We are hardly a stepping stone program.
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Surely you can take a look at our coaching and program history and understand why, though, right? Right?? Our most successful HC retired, the following one was hired away, the one after him became unhireable after a scandal and subsequent comments made, the one after him was arguably the worst HC in FBS, the next guy was definitely the worst coach in FBS and our current HC's situation is still TBD.

If you are simply looking at our coaching history and determining we aren't a stepping stone because of it, I don't think you're truly being objective about the college football world we live in today.
 
sackman said:
Oh yay. Another argument from TShek.

I’ll pass.
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You don't seem to have a problem arguing about fake wrestling, so why do you have a problem "arguing" about this? You calling me out for being argumentative, is like me calling tini out for being a sunshine pumper. You'll pass because you have nothing to respond with and don't know what you're talking about.
 
sackman said:
CU has had exactly one coach hired away in its history. We are hardly a stepping stone program.
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I'm more concerned that we've become a stepping stone program perception-wise. And if perception is reality for those who we want to come and remain here, with respect to recruits and coaches, then it seems we have a steep ass hill to climb yet. But I will be happy if I'm wrong, damn happy.
 
CULifer said:
I'm more concerned that we've become a stepping stone program perception-wise. And if perception is reality for those who we want to come and remain here, with respect to recruits and coaches, then it seems we have a steep ass hill to climb yet. But I will be happy if I'm wrong, damn happy.
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The reality is that there are probably a small number of programs that might be able to hire away a CU coach. MM is too big a name for 80% or more of the programs out there. He’s too small a name for the other 20%. That’s going to be the case for the vast majority of the time here. Neu was an exception.
 
sackman said:
The reality is that there are probably a small number of programs that might be able to hire away a CU coach. MM is too big a name for 80% or more of the programs out there. He’s too small a name for the other 20%. That’s going to be the case for the vast majority of the time here. Neu was an exception.
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So if we strung consecutive 9 or 10-win season's together, you think we'd be able to keep an hc?
 
TSchekler said:
Surely you can take a look at our coaching and program history and understand why, though, right? Right?? Our most successful HC retired, the following one was hired away, the one after him became unhireable after a scandal and subsequent comments made, the one after him was arguably the worst HC in FBS, the next guy was definitely the worst coach in FBS and our current HC's situation is still TBD.

If you are simply looking at our coaching history and determining we aren't a stepping stone because of it, I don't think you're truly being objective about the college football world we live in today.
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And what about the guys before all of them? There were some pretty very successful coaches here before Mac, how many of them went on to "bigger and better" jobs?
 
Duff Man said:
CU is a stepping stone program... just like 75-80% of schools at the P5 level.
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Yep. Colin Cowherd had a great comment about this. Just about every job is a stepping stone job if you're reaching for the brass ring at the top of your profession. Within his, he said that unless you're the host of the Tonight Show every other job is a stepping stone.

Fans make too much of this. It's rare that you have a coach stick around for a decade at any place.
 
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What’s more is that most coaches shouldn’t stay for a long time. The game changes and schools/coaches need fresh perspectives to get better and grow. Mark Richt at Miami is a revitalized coach. It shows. Saban staying for a decade+ and dominating at UA is a rarity even for him!

Buffnik said:
Yep. Colin Cowherd had a great comment about this. Just about every job is a stepping stone job if you're reaching for the brass ring at the top of your profession. Within his, he said that unless you're the host of the Tonight Show ever other job is a stepping stone.

Fans make too much of this. It's rare that you have a coach stick around for a decade at any place.
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8Jah said:
PAC12 way too jammed with giant killers who could never be giants.

Conference needs a single dominate program with lots of patsies at the bottom to make the championship year in and year out.
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I thought USC would be that program but it doesn't seem like they are that program. Guess the PAC doesn't have that program.
 
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