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Is the Stanford run coming to an end?

skibum said:
Stanford has really high volatility as a program in terms of their performance. It isn't just now, that's historically been true. They will have a great run of 2-5 years, followed by 2-5 years of absolute ****, rinse, repeat.

They've never just been consistently average, or above average, or good, or bad; they are all over the place. They really do fit in with the culture of the valley: fail big or win big.

I think they're about to enter a fail big phase.
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You are not kidding:

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Athletics at Stanford are a novelty, not a passion. That's a fact. It's a shame, too. They have some outstanding facilities. Very fan friendly.
 
Darth Snow said:
someone in the P12 needs to stumble besides us, and soon.
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I wish someone in the South looked like they are going to stumble. I see a drop off in the north with Mariotta leaving, Stanford dropping, and the other teams not making much progress. Let's switch divisions now :lol:
 
Colorado Track Fan said:
I would say that you could not be more wrong. Stanford utterly dominates college athletics when taken in aggregate. I believe they won the director's cup 20 years in a row.

http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=209519397
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And you completely missed the point. I was referring to fan support. I know the administration is supportive of their athletic department. Which is why I mentioned their great facilities. For all the admin support, it hasn't translated into a passionate fanbase. Stanford grads are too busy making gobs of money to pay any attention to their athletic programs. My B-I-L is a great example of this. He has a masters in Engineering from Stanford. He lives about 45 minutes away from Palo Alto. The only time he ever goes to a football game is when I come out and visit. I make the poor schmuck sit with the CU fans and he doesn't even care. He has absolutely zero interest in football, or athletics in general.
 
TDbuff said:
Yeah, Hogan sucks. I just don't understand why/how he continues to start over whatever they have on the bench. Somebody that looks comfortable throwing a forward pass would be an improvement.
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The Shaw/Hogan dynamic is so weird to me.
 
They've been recruiting the hell out of the qb position the last few years right? That is strange somebody else hasn't got a shot.
 
BuffLuKe said:
They've been recruiting the hell out of the qb position the last few years right? That is strange somebody else hasn't got a shot.
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Well they seemed really committed to redshirting Keller Chryst this year at least, who is the heir apparent. They did seem to land a 4 star QB every year, but after Hogan got the job, they slowed down a bit. Took a year off, then landed a 4 star Ryan Burns from VA before getting Chryst. So maybe they haven't had a ton of talent behind him till Chryst showed up, I don't know.
 
sackman said:
And you completely missed the point. I was referring to fan support. I know the administration is supportive of their athletic department. Which is why I mentioned their great facilities. For all the admin support, it hasn't translated into a passionate fanbase. Stanford grads are too busy making gobs of money to pay any attention to their athletic programs. My B-I-L is a great example of this. He has a masters in Engineering from Stanford. He lives about 45 minutes away from Palo Alto. The only time he ever goes to a football game is when I come out and visit. I make the poor schmuck sit with the CU fans and he doesn't even care. He has absolutely zero interest in football, or athletics in general.
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Roger that. Agreed. I think the only people associated with Stanford who are interested in sports are the varsity athletes at Stanford. And that won't fill a football stadium.
Frankly, they have better things to do, like you said.
 
The Pac-12 CCG in Palo Alto was the saddest thing I've seen in a while.

I don't know what the particulars of Larry Scott's thinking on the long-term location of the CCG when expansion was first discussed, so I could be wrong, but I have to imagine the nail was driven into the coffin of teams hosting the Pac-12 CCG that night.
 
Colorado Track Fan said:
Roger that. Agreed. I think the only people associated with Stanford who are interested in sports are the varsity athletes at Stanford. And that won't fill a football stadium.
Frankly, they have better things to do, like you said.
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Yeah, we say that when there's a lack of support for CU. It's a bull**** excuse when we use it too.
 
Alfred91 said:
Yeah, we say that when there's a lack of support for CU. It's a bull**** excuse when we use it too.
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Yeah, well, I think Stanford alums and students have a legit claim on that, probably more than any other school with a legit football team. That school is not like all the others...in many ways.
 
Alfred91 said:
The Pac-12 CCG in Palo Alto was the saddest thing I've seen in a while.

I don't know what the particulars of Larry Scott's thinking on the long-term location of the CCG when expansion was first discussed, so I could be wrong, but I have to imagine the nail was driven into the coffin of teams hosting the Pac-12 CCG that night.
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I was at that game. We went and sat in arguably the best seats in the house (1st row 2nd deck 50 yd line) simply because they were empty.

However, I don't think Stanford is finished quite yet. They just need to find another stud at RB - probably got too cute recruiting Barry Jr and McCaffrey (although he's a good player)...
 
class01 said:
I was at that game. We went and sat in arguably the best seats in the house (1st row 2nd deck 50 yd line) simply because they were empty.

However, I don't think Stanford is finished quite yet. They just need to find another stud at RB - probably got too cute recruiting Barry Jr and McCaffrey (although he's a good player)...
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Huh? Hogan is the bigger issue that also ties in with Shaw being extremely conservative.
 
'Tini said:
Huh? Hogan is the bigger issue that also ties in with Shaw being extremely conservative.
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Wrong. I've been to almost every Stanford home game for the last 3 yrs or so and Hogan did just fine with Gaffney doing all the heavy lifting. Shaw's conservative style works just fine when you're getting 4+ yds/rush on early downs and just ask a game manager like Hogan to hit a few key passes here and there. Stephan Taylor was maybe a bit better than Gaffney - more explosive. It's been a big drop-off at RB this yr. If they had either Taylor or Gaffney they would have beat USC easily.
 
I'm not sure they'll be winning P12 championships in the future, but they're better than they're showing this season. If that Chryst kid plays half as well as his talent says he should and Shaw grows a pair, they'll be a much better team next year.
 
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