TDbuff
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I know who Clay is, I thought a tweet from him would fit in perfectly with this thread.
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James Franklin / Vanderbilt
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I know who Clay is, I thought a tweet from him would fit in perfectly with this thread.
SD Buff
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lot:
Weren't we recently ranked the 18th most prestigious football program (and that's a snapshot of the moment, with consideration to history). I wonder where Vandy was on that list.
Vandy is on its mountaintop and CU is in its cellar. We're on completely opposite ends of our program's spectrums, and both will move back in the other direction. Vandy is not nearly the job that CU is.
Vandy is on its mountaintop and CU is in its cellar. We're on completely opposite ends of our program's spectrums, and both will move back in the other direction. Vandy is not nearly the job that CU is.
White_Rabbit
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Extend Mac now!!!!!!!!!
cubuffs85
Active Member
I wouldn't go that far, I just don't think we're likely losing anything special. Many here would've been upset if Hawk left after year 2.
And a higher percentage of Buff fans would have been happy if Mac1 had left after year 2. In short, we don't know ****. :lol:
cubuffs85
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Of course we don't, it's always easy to look back in hindsight. Good chance in 3 years, we'll be saying, wish Vandy would've pursued Mac2 harder.
FlatironsBuff
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That is only your opinion. Mine is that we will be very happy with Mac2 in three years. Neither of us know crap and both of us are guessing.
cubuffs85
Active Member
I think I was just saying that in concurring with Nik.
FlatironsBuff
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I realized that after I posted but too lazy to go back and change it. I really like Mac and who he seems to be. I hope that he works out. He wouldn't be in the running to win out at Vandy and play in the playoffs, but has that chance at CU. I think even as a CU fan, that Vandy at its max is still below CU at its max.
Derek Mason would be a great get for Vanderbilt. Runs the D at Stanford and that is under an offensive minded Head Coach. The way they've stuffed Oregon the last two years was impressive.
Mason is a Phoenix boy, and coached at NAU. He'd also make a great replacement for either of the Arizona schools next year when those head coaches move on.
Mason is a Phoenix boy, and coached at NAU. He'd also make a great replacement for either of the Arizona schools next year when those head coaches move on.
Probably our recent history
TDbuff
Club Member
Yeah but, to continue that hypothetical--who would we hire as a replacement right now? We're in the same boat the majority of programs are--just hoping our guy is THE guy this time, again.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah sure, but right now Vandy definitely has the edge and these jobs you are supposed to win immediately not in 5-10 years. I've said this before, but Mac1 would've never have happened because he would've been fired, there was more patience back then.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah sure, I'm just saying I wouldn't be too upset over losing him. I wouldn't get into a huge bidding war with Vandy. I just think a lot of people are overstating his importance. Who knows?
cubuffs85
Active Member
Coaches are hired to be fired.
Mac1's successor may have won just as many games though, given that Mac1 was bringing in the talent by then. A lot of the "hard work" had been done.
Whether or not Mac is a great coach or not (I like to believe that he is), if he jumped ship for another job I believe it would be disasterous for our program.
Any momentum gained last year would be lost. The perception of some that Vandy is a better program than ours would be validated.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Entirely possible, that's basically what happened at Maryland. Ron Vanderlinden recruited the players that Ralph Friedgen won with, but Friedgen was unable to sustain that success with his own players he recruited.
You could also argue that if Bzdelik had stayed, he would've attained the success that Tad did. After all, without him laying the ground, does Tad experience this success?
Buffenuf
massive tool
One of the great matters of importance of HCMM & Co, is "continuity", not "win immediately"; something I believe even the dimmest bulbs here should recognize( Bueller? Slider? Burpie?), even if YOU do not.
How is recruiting (and thus the entire program), ever going to improve to a decent level if the neg-recruiters on other staffs can merely whisper "CU changes coachs every three years" to impressionable mothers and their upper 3* and 4* star babies?
cubuffs85
Active Member
Ok so Vandy offers to pay him $3.5 million (Franklin was making $3 million), should CU go to $4 million?
So if he goes 2-10 this year, just throwing that scenario out there, not saying it will happen should they keep on the course in the name of continuity?