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JoPa and his entire staff should be fired

I heard a very good point on Vic & Gary this morning. If this were Paterno's grandson in the shower with Sandusky, this all would have been dealt with 9 years ago.

But since it wasn't, he chose to be a coward.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
You think if we'd played zone it would have been better and we'd have won the game? Whoever said that was nutts.

We suck so bad were putting hookers out of work. We are so riddled with injuries weve resorted to putting 2nd and 3rd string offensive players on defense. Its just not in the cards for the Buffs this year. If Embree thinks Brown should go than he will go. In my mind they deserve 3 recruiting cycles (not including the last one) and 3-4 seasons to show us.
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I'm not sure you understood my post.
 
Buffarino said:
I heard a very good point on Vic & Gary this morning. If this were Paterno's grandson in the shower with Sandusky, this all would have been dealt with 9 years ago.

But since it wasn't, he chose to be a coward.
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Excellent point. Good way to put perspective on it.
 
CUBUFF80 said:
Wow, so he gets to finish the season under his own terms with praise and accolades for a job well done? You've gotta be kidding me.
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This weekend is apparently their last home game. And they are already bowl eligible. Two games where you have to figure a lot of people are going to want to put all the focus on JoePa and have some big ****ing celebration of his career. I really hope that doesn't happen, but I think we've all seen enough of the sporting media, and of a lot of PSU fans over the last few days, to know that it will. :puke:
 
Penn State is trying to delay the inevitable. JoePa should not be on the sideline and anyone involved in this cover-up should be gone - NOW - but they are still trying to figure out how to wiggle out of this.

Good point this morning on the radio by Jay Billas (sp?) that the announcement of a committe to investigate the situation to be announced on Friday is a stall tactic, buying more time.

The powers that be on the university governing board and in the Pennsylvania state government need to take this thing over and clean house now, the longer they delay trying to protect certain individuals the more damage they will do to the university in the long run.

I was thinking this morning that the investigation leading to the grand jury indictment was not a secret, people involved knew who was under investigation and what the subject of the investigation was. Even with what they have admitted to individuals should have been suspended long before this came out publicly.
 
Alfred91 - nice post.

One thing I think the NCAA could look at in cases like this would be allowing players to transfer without sitting out a year when there is criminal activity going on with program administrators.
 
JoePa is retiring! His 61 years of coaching at Penn State and his last home game he will ever coach in Happy Valley will be against.......the HUSKERS!!! Send him ****ing packing boys!
 
Kameltosis said:
JoePa is retiring! His 61 years of coaching at Penn State and his last home game he will ever coach in Happy Valley will be against.......the HUSKERS!!! Send him ****ing packing boys!
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Fitting. The program with an AD who covered up abuse against women is playing the program that covered up abuse against children.
 
Buffnik said:
Fitting. The program with an AD who covered up abuse against women is playing the program that covered up abuse against children.
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Oh sweet Jesus. Really you want to get into the mistreatment of women by football programs. Really? Reeeaalllllllly?
 
Kameltosis said:
JoePa is retiring! His 61 years of coaching at Penn State and his last home game he will ever coach in Happy Valley will be against.......the HUSKERS!!! Send him ****ing packing boys!
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Dude. Really?
 
bigbang2 said:
I agree with everything you said. But keep in mind innoccent until proven guilty, we don't know all the facts. The real question is why didn't the WR coach and the Janitor go to the police , why didn't anyone at admin office go to the police and risk a huge lawsuit and maybe criminal charges from the police. We don't have all the facts.
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This might be the one time I cheer for NU... not to win, but to run out of bounds with the ball on the PSU side lines and slam into coaches, or shove PSU players when they are near the sidelien so they hit their coaches, or just miss tackles along the side line and ****ing burry the coach.

I hope the NU players talk more **** to the PSU players about this. I hope they bring them to tears and enrage teh PSU players to start fights, get personal fouls, and get tossed from the game.
 
Alfred91 said:
3. Joe Pa's role to me is still mysterious. It is becoming more and more obvious to me that at the very minimum, he is guilty of grossly mismanaging his program. I would really like to know what exactly McQueary said to him, what he said to the AD, and what he knew about Sandusky's actions prior. It seems to me that, if you take McQueary's word (and I don't know why you wouldn't at this point), Joe Pa was probably told something more graphic than 'horsing around in a shower'. I don't know if McQueary said what I probably would have said - I would have been extremely explicit - but it seems that Joe Pa, if we take him at his word, watered it down - a lot. If that is taken together with prior knowledge of Sandusky's proclivities, then Joe Pa's actions start to become not only fireable, but potentially criminal.
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I also holding back a rush to judgement until the media circus ends. The only thing I think you left out, and that I want to know, is what is the timeline of who knew what and when? How much detail was disclosed to Joe Pa? How fast did he escalate what he knew? Was the investigation already ongoing or did that spur the investigation to start? At some point he had to have been deposed by the police. When did that happen? What were the details of it? Was he told not to discuss it after the deposition because of the ongoing investigation? The fact that Joe Pa is retiring tells me there might be something more to this. Because the Grand Jury is secret Id be curious if he were subpoenaed for that though we will likely never know what he said.

NPR indicated that there were two known incidents. One was observed by a janitor in the showers prior to the one the GA reported. The same AD person apparently tried to cover up both incidents. Clearly someone gave compelling enough testimony for an indictment to be issued. How can that AD guy sleep at night? Jebus.
 
Statement by Penn State football coach Joe Paterno:
I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.
I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.
This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.
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What about the victims, Joe? What about the victims?
 
MtnBuff said:
I was thinking this morning that the investigation leading to the grand jury indictment was not a secret, people involved knew who was under investigation and what the subject of the investigation was. Even with what they have admitted to individuals should have been suspended long before this came out publicly.
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Typically its very secret and includes an oath to secrecy after you leave. So secret that you cant even bring your lawyer into the room with you while giving GJ testimony with the caveat that you can not be charged with anything you say if you incriminate yourself. Its used to get at the unvarnished truth. When it comes time to go to court I believe no one is allowed to read from GJ testimony but they can refer to it.

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury

Rule 6 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure governs grand juries. It requires grand juries to be composed of 16 to 23 members and that 12 members must concur in an indictment.[SUP][13][/SUP]
The grand jury can compel a witness to testify. The target of a grand jury investigation has no right to testify or put on a defense before the grand jury.[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP] The U.S. Attorney's Manual anticipates the possibility of allowing investigatory targets to testify.[SUP][17][/SUP]
Grand jury's proceedings are secret. A judge is not present either during the grand jury's deliberations

A grand jury is instructed to return an indictment if the probable cause standard has been met. The grand jury's decision is either a "true bill" (resulting in an "indictment"), or "no true bill".

Grand jury witnesses have no right to have a lawyer or family in the room, and can be charged with holding the court in contempt (punishable with incarceration for the remaining term of the grand jury) if they refuse to appear before the jury[SUP][24][/SUP] and all evidence is presented by a prosecutor in a cloak of secrecy, as the prosecutor, grand jurors, and the grand jury stenographer are prohibited from disclosing what happened before the grand jury, unless ordered to do so in a judicial proceeding.[SUP][10][/SUP]
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Once they are done its all sealed and secret. If an indictment is handed down then arrests are made and the case goes to trial.

An attempt was made in Boulder County to indict someone for the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey but the Grand Jury did not indict. No one knows the contents of that or who was the focus other than the people in the room at the time. As I understand it this was done because its difficult to charge two different people with murder. By using the GJ that tells me they are not sure who killed JBR. If new evidence emerges later they can pursue that. If they had gone to trial and were wrong they probably could not have gone after the new person.
 
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bigbang2 said:
He followed protocol. And the protocol is for him to report it to the School which he did. What does he have to gain if he protects a child molestor that is no longer a member of his staff. There is so much a 84 year old can do.
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****ing PROTOCOL? Are you SERIOUSLY defending this with the "he followed protocol" excuse? You are dumber than I thought you were. Somehow.
 
The ESPN SportsNation Poll was: Shoudl Joe Paterno coach against Nebraska?

Surprisingly, the majority of the repondants said yes. WTF?
 
While trying to decide whether or not to neg rep a fusker fan I've got a couple of questions:

First, how did this come up, kind of all of a sudden, after so many years? I'm glad it did. Just wondering what the dynamics were.

Second, even if JoPa is not guilty of a "crime", wich they seem to be saying, he can still be sued in civil court, correct? Along that point, if children were raped after Penn St. new about it but did nothing, I would imagine the school will also be involved in some very large civil cases. The will, likely, open there checkbook and settle before any sort of trial.
 
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