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Josh Rosen stirring up things

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Despite the headline and the lead-in photos from when he was a boneheaded freshman, Rosen is very mature mature and provocative (in a good way) in this piece. Got me thinking about the great job that MacIntyre is doing with summer bridge program, expanded academic support, morning practice schedule, spring practices that don't compromise finals, etc., along with how we're seeing the payoff on this with football players getting degrees including master's during their time at CU, so few ineligible players, etc. It seems that Colorado is trying hard to find players who want an education and is giving them support to make it happen.
 
I get what he is trying to say but man it gets old when the top players who are going to the NFL complain that school is stupid and it is too much of a time commitment when 90% of the players need it more than ever.
 
onealcd said:
I get what he is trying to say but man it gets old when the top players who are going to the NFL complain that school is stupid and it is too much of a time commitment when 90% of the players need it more than ever.
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Except he's in a difficult major with plans to get a master's. It's not like it's someone who doesn't want to be in school who is making excuses. Seems to me that he's reporting the reality of the situation.
 
Duff Man said:
He didn't say school was stupid.
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He said they don't go together when for the majority of players that is not the case. Just frustrating when millennial's complain about working too hard, and I am a millennial.
 
onealcd said:
He said they don't go together when for the majority of players that is not the case. Just frustrating when millennial's complain about working too hard, and I am a millennial.
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I think you misread what he is saying. It is not about working too hard.
 
onealcd said:
He said it was like having two full time jobs, which is both a stretch and a complaint about the work load.
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What he is saying is that it is basically impossible to fulfill your full potential as a student AND be a great college football player. Seems like a pretty valid statement to me.

That is not the same as saying "school is stupid."
 
Duff Man said:
What he is saying is that it is basically impossible to fulfill your full potential as a student AND be a great college football player. Seems like a pretty valid statement to me.

That is not the same as saying "school is stupid."
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Most people in college can't fulfill their full potential though, it's not like athletes are the only ones who have other obligations limiting their commitment. Seems like certain kids value different parts of being a student athlete and act accordingly, not that it is some impossible situation to navigate.
 
onealcd said:
Most people in college can't fulfill their full potential though, it's not like athletes are the only ones who have other obligations limiting their commitment. Seems like certain kids value different parts of being a student athlete and act accordingly, not that it is some impossible situation to navigate.
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You call it complaining, I think he is just being honest. I do not think he is looking for sympathy either, more explaining the tradeoffs inherent with being a star college football player.
 
onealcd said:
Most people in college can't fulfill their full potential though, it's not like athletes are the only ones who have other obligations limiting their commitment. Seems like certain kids value different parts of being a student athlete and act accordingly, not that it is some impossible situation to navigate.
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Being a student athlete is incredibly difficult, but they have a lot more support than the traditional student - academic help and coordination from the AD, other teammates giving them accountability, food provided saving time shopping/cooking, "free" education, stipend etc.
 
Buffnik said:
In the Pac-12 Offseason News thread. I didn't realize how much the story would blow up or I would have made its own thread.

I'll go ahead and copy those posts into here so that it looks to people like DBT posted into an existing thread on the topic. :p
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I figured it had to be somewhere. I thought it was worthy of its own thread.
 
Duff Man said:
He didn't say school was stupid.
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No. He said 'bama players are stupid.

"There are guys who have no business being in school, but they're here because this is the path to the NFL. There's no other way. Then there's the other side that says raise the SAT eligibility requirements. OK, raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have."
 
DBT said:
No. He said 'bama players are stupid.

"There are guys who have no business being in school, but they're here because this is the path to the NFL. There's no other way. Then there's the other side that says raise the SAT eligibility requirements. OK, raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have."
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Eagerly awaiting the Bama fUCLA matchup, please let that happen.
 
DBT said:
No. He said 'bama players are stupid.

"There are guys who have no business being in school, but they're here because this is the path to the NFL. There's no other way. Then there's the other side that says raise the SAT eligibility requirements. OK, raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have."
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Definitely something the great academic P5 conferences (PAC12 and B1G) rightly bitch about.
 
Buffnik said:
Except he's in a difficult major with plans to get a master's. It's not like it's someone who doesn't want to be in school who is making excuses. Seems to me that he's reporting the reality of the situation.
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That was my take. I thought it was honest and forthright.
 
Duff Man said:
You call it complaining, I think he is just being honest. I do not think he is looking for sympathy either, more explaining the tradeoffs inherent with being a star college football player.
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This is it in a nutshell. Football at the P5 level is a huge money business and players are expected to be dedicated to performing at a very high level. Very few student athletes have the ability to excel at both and if you are on an athletic scholarship they make it very clear which one gets first priority.

Bufffan68 said:
Being a student athlete is incredibly difficult, but they have a lot more support than the traditional student - academic help and coordination from the AD, other teammates giving them accountability, food provided saving time shopping/cooking, "free" education, stipend etc.
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Student athletes do get a lot of support in terms of tutoring, scheduling preferences, access to food, not having to worry about paying for school, etc.

The balance of that is that in some majors they can't even take certain classes in the fall because of conflicts with team activities or travel. Even in the off-season time other students can spend reviewing their notes gets spent lifting and in film study or in spring/summer team activities.

Athletes time commitments are much higher than that of the non-athletes "part-time job" or other commitments. What is even harder to plan for is the time needed for training room or medical care when the athlete is injured. An injury can knock the athlete out of the classroom for a few days up to multiple weeks.

It still isn't a bad deal. You get to do something that most players love and get an opportunity to get a quality education debt free in the process. Those athletes who really take advantage of it by not only getting their bachelors degrees but also getting a solid start on grad school and who use their recognition as a player to develop connections that will help them after football are the big winners.
 
MtnBuff said:
This is it in a nutshell. Football at the P5 level is a huge money business and players are expected to be dedicated to performing at a very high level. Very few student athletes have the ability to excel at both and if you are on an athletic scholarship they make it very clear which one gets first priority.



Student athletes do get a lot of support in terms of tutoring, scheduling preferences, access to food, not having to worry about paying for school, etc.

The balance of that is that in some majors they can't even take certain classes in the fall because of conflicts with team activities or travel. Even in the off-season time other students can spend reviewing their notes gets spent lifting and in film study or in spring/summer team activities.

Athletes time commitments are much higher than that of the non-athletes "part-time job" or other commitments. What is even harder to plan for is the time needed for training room or medical care when the athlete is injured. An injury can knock the athlete out of the classroom for a few days up to multiple weeks.

It still isn't a bad deal. You get to do something that most players love and get an opportunity to get a quality education debt free in the process. Those athletes who really take advantage of it by not only getting their bachelors degrees but also getting a solid start on grad school and who use their recognition as a player to develop connections that will help them after football are the big winners.
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Nothing to disagree with here. Good post.
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
Have you ever dated a guy with elephantitus of the nuts?
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Yeah, but then Orr found religion and changed his name. It was incredible for a while though.

I mean, look at those nuts!

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Josh Rosen is a thoughtful, unique individual. His comments about Bama were part of a larger dialogue that needs to be had. He was using Bama to get clicks. It wasn't about Bama at all. I wish more spoke out with such refreshing thoughts.
 
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