Larry Scott not happy with Bruce Benson

[Del]

The only positive side is that I do believe that Texas and Oklahoma will both want access to California as well which would not be afforded in the East/West set up which in turn would put more pressure on the pod scheduling format.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/sources-texas-has-three-viable-realignment-options-1851020.html

 

[Cal84]

there will actually be 4 of them this was an issue in the big 12, OK/TX vote as a uniform block.

There's already a wedge between Okie and Texass. And in a 16 team confrence, 4 vote are not a blocking minority. They come in, they play by the same rules as everyone else. Or they don't come in.

 

[Mick Ronson]

There's already a wedge between Okie and Texass. And in a 16 team confrence, 4 vote are not a blocking minority. They come in, they play by the same rules as everyone else. Or they don't come in.

hey, here's a question for you Cal.....is it true that USC doesn't have to play in the NW cities in the winter? someone posted that a while back....because that doesn't sound like "the same rules as everyone else". true?

 

[absinthe]

There's already a wedge between Okie and Texass. And in a 16 team confrence, 4 vote are not a blocking minority. They come in, they play by the same rules as everyone else. Or they don't come in.

the wedge will fade in short order especially when it means more leverage for them. Group think is a specialty of the Big12 south.

 

[wsp4820]

There's already a wedge between Okie and Texass. And in a 16 team confrence, 4 vote are not a blocking minority. They come in, they play by the same rules as everyone else. Or they don't come in.

You better chiggity check yo self befoe you wriggity wreck yo self, Cal fan. You bring in the Okie/Texas block, then Texas gets in USC's ear, USC starts talking to UCLA, and suddenly the bigger money schools are ****ing you in your ass with no lube while they whip you in the face with your girlfriend's hair. Yeah, she's holding the video camera.

 

[Cal84]

You better chiggity check yo self befoe you wriggity wreck yo self, Cal fan. You bring in the Okie/Texas block, then Texas gets in USC's ear, USC starts talking to UCLA

Yeah and it's also possible that UCLA might make a habit to win a game versus someone besides Texass. Or not.

There's a reason why the schools in the old P10 aren't fearing that scenario and there's a reason why you are. Recent experience. Like I've said, the Four Stoogies enter under the same rules as everyone else or they don't enter.

And Mick Ronson, there is no rule about USC and the northern teams. It is true however that the Pac traditionally schedules the final game of the season with your local rival team, for USC that would be UCLA. USC also traditionally schedules a Thanksgiving game vs. ND. So there's the two last weeks of the season. But it's not as if playing in the state of Washington in November qualifies as real cold weather. Average snowfall in Seattle during the entire month of November is under an inch.

 

[CUBUFF80]

Yeah and it's also possible that UCLA might make a habit to win a game versus someone besides Texass. Or not.

There's a reason why the schools in the old P10 aren't fearing that scenario and there's a reason why you are. Recent experience. Like I've said, the Four Stoogies enter under the same rules as everyone else or they don't enter.

And Mick Ronson, there is no rule about USC and the northern teams. It is true however that the Pac traditionally schedules the final game of the season with your local rival team, for USC that would be UCLA. USC also traditionally schedules a Thanksgiving game vs. ND. So there's the two last weeks of the season. But it's not as if playing in the state of Washington in November qualifies as real cold weather. Average snowfall in Seattle during the entire month of November is under an inch.

Just remember: Texas = Evil, it's like the old fable of the Scorpion and the Frog- it's their nature.

http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html

 

[NashBuff]

Larry Scott can be replaced by Kevin Weiberg.

 

[dio]

Cal guy has some nice posts, but completely doesn't understand Texas nor their voting bloc

 

[Darth Snow]

Yeah and it's also possible that UCLA might make a habit to win a game versus someone besides Texass. Or not.

There's a reason why the schools in the old P10 aren't fearing that scenario and there's a reason why you are. Recent experience. Like I've said, the Four Stoogies enter under the same rules as everyone else or they don't enter.

And Mick Ronson, there is no rule about USC and the northern teams. It is true however that the Pac traditionally schedules the final game of the season with your local rival team, for USC that would be UCLA. USC also traditionally schedules a Thanksgiving game vs. ND. So there's the two last weeks of the season. But it's not as if playing in the state of Washington in November qualifies as real cold weather. Average snowfall in Seattle during the entire month of November is under an inch.

You see, you've fallen into the same trap we did back when the big 12 started. We thought UT could be contained. So do you. Sure, they may ENTER under the same restrictions, but it won't stay like that. They will take an inch here, an inch there, and then all of a sudden there are so many special exemptions for UT and their hangers on that you are giving them extra $ to screw you over repeatedly. Be it referees fist pumping when texas gets a touchdown in Big12 championship games, UT sycophants as conference commisioners, or corporate offices relocating to Austin, UT will not stop until they have all the advantages.

 

[Cal84]

Just remember: Texas = Evil

Understood. They didn't get their rep without a reason...

 

[Buffnik]

Understood. They didn't get their rep without a reason...

Didn't they screw Cal out of a BCS berth a few years back? I think I remember something about the Rose Bowl and Cal fans hating Mac Brown over it.

 

[The Guest]

Understood. They didn't get their rep without a reason...

That's the spirit!

 

[The Guest]

Didn't they screw Cal out of a BCS berth a few years back? I think I remember something about the Rose Bowl and Cal fans hating Mac Brown over it.

And since Cal is my new second-favorite time, this incident--though previously amusing--really chaps my ass.

It's still funny when Kansas sneaks into a BCS Bowl instead of Mizzou though.

 

[NashBuff]

Didn't they screw Cal out of a BCS berth a few years back? I think I remember something about the Rose Bowl and Cal fans hating Mac Brown over it.

Allsome...just remind Cal fans about that and the Cal president might be hearing from them real soon.

 

[Mick Ronson]

Understood. They didn't get their rep without a reason...

the worst thing that ever happened in college football was Vince Young's TD run in the 05 Rose Bowl. actually, worse, was Ohio State gagging like a cheap whore earlier that year. Limas Sweed makes an all-timer catch in that one....but OSU should have won but Tressel is so conservative and their TE drops a sure game-winning TD. UT is on a leash without that NC.....40 years without a trophy. now, it's like they invented the game.

 

[Deleted member 807]

there will actually be 4 of them this was an issue in the big 12, OK/TX vote as a uniform block.

There is a solid 4 and a soft majority.

Texas is not above creating an anti-California school voting block.

When Scott leaves to pursue other professional interests, UT and their minions will be hard at work lobbying to appoint their guy as a successor. Pretty soon Jerry World in Dallas becomes the semi-permanent location for the CCG. By the time they are done, people will not remember the P12 used to be run out of Walnut Creek, CA.

 

[Cal84]

You see, you've fallen into the same trap we did back when the big 12 started. We thought UT could be contained. So do you. Sure, they may ENTER under the same restrictions, but it won't stay like that. They will take an inch here, an inch there, and then all of a sudden there are so many special exemptions for UT and their hangers on that you are giving them extra $ to screw you over repeatedly. Be it referees fist pumping when texas gets a touchdown in Big12 championship games, UT sycophants as conference commisioners, or corporate offices relocating to Austin, UT will not stop until they have all the advantages.

If you thought UT could be contained in the Little12/10, then that was frankly foolish. Money is what drives dominance in the long run and Texas' economy is 5x the nearest competitor (Colorado) in the Little10. That drives TV dollars and no wonder you couldn't contain them. But guess what? California's economy is 50% bigger than Texas'. Zero chance they will dominate a P16. Zero chance the conference HQ will move out of Walnut Creek, CALIFORNIA.

And although you may not want to admit it, Colorado knows this too. That's why you guys agreed to join the P10/16. You knew we were inviting the Four Stooges and despite your bad experiences with some of them, you approved of the expansion and still joined us. You did that because you looked at the P10, saw that it had a history of fair business dealings between its members and trusted that would continue even with Texass in the conference. And so it will be. Texass will not get an invite if it wants special treatment.

 

[Darth Snow]

If you thought UT could be contained in the Little12/10, then that was frankly foolish. Money is what drives dominance in the long run and Texas' economy is 5x the nearest competitor (Colorado) in the Little10. That drives TV dollars and no wonder you couldn't contain them. But guess what? California's economy is 50% bigger than Texas'. Zero chance they will dominate a P16. Zero chance the conference HQ will move out of Walnut Creek, CALIFORNIA.

And although you may not want to admit it, Colorado knows this too. That's why you guys agreed to join the P10/16. You knew we were inviting the Four Stooges and despite your bad experiences with some of them, you approved of the expansion and still joined us. You did that because you looked at the P10, saw that it had a history of fair business dealings between its members and trusted that would continue even with Texass in the conference. And so it will be. Texass will not get an invite if it wants special treatment.

Texass is a big enough gorilla to do damage, and it was ****ing mean spirited gorilla. And you know what? They WANT things a lot more than the cali schools. Texass is a different world. They fill 40k HIGHSCHOOL stadiums. It may take longer, but it will happen, UT will **** up the conference. Believe your propaganda at your own risk. You have been warned.

 

[absinthe]

SlowBunny is right here.

One of the things lost on the California schools is the amount of group think that exists in the big-12 south. On paper everything Cal84 says is true, but in reality the Cali schools dont act as a unit they fight with each other all the time, this will eventually result in 1 or 2 of them siding with the Texas 4 (who mark my words will never in-fight) and that is when the issues will really start.

 

[dio]

If you thought UT could be contained in the Little12/10, then that was frankly foolish. Money is what drives dominance in the long run and Texas' economy is 5x the nearest competitor (Colorado) in the Little10. That drives TV dollars and no wonder you couldn't contain them. But guess what? California's economy is 50% bigger than Texas'. Zero chance they will dominate a P16. Zero chance the conference HQ will move out of Walnut Creek, CALIFORNIA.

And although you may not want to admit it, Colorado knows this too. That's why you guys agreed to join the P10/16. You knew we were inviting the Four Stooges and despite your bad experiences with some of them, you approved of the expansion and still joined us. You did that because you looked at the P10, saw that it had a history of fair business dealings between its members and trusted that would continue even with Texass in the conference. And so it will be. Texass will not get an invite if it wants special treatment.

Last year, bringing all the other B12 schools was a better option then being left out of conference re-alignment. Things aren't the same now. UU is now on-board instead of TAMU. P12 has a lucrative TV contract. There isn't nearly as much pressure to bend.

You are crazy - insane even - to come here and try to tell us how it is with UT. You have no idea. You don't know how they poisoned the B12, and how they poisoned the SWC. You are foolish to think that them coming into the conference with 3 assured votes isn't going to be a huge threat to the balance in the Pac12.

Remember, CU and NU were national powers when the Big12 formed. By the end, the entire B12 north was a shell of former glories.

 

[wsp4820]

SlowBunny is right here.

One of the things lost on the California schools is the amount of group think that exists in the big-12 south. On paper everything Cal84 says is true, but in reality the Cali schools dont act as a unit they fight with each other all the time, this will eventually result in 1 or 2 of them siding with the Texas 4 (who mark my words will never in-fight) and that is when the issues will really start.

Cough. usc Cough, cough.

 

[Mick Ronson]

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Remember, CU and NU were national powers when the Big12 formed. By the end, the entire B12 north was a shell of former glories.

don't forget Darth Snyder's KSU teams. that Bishop/Beasley/Roberson stretch was for real....and put a lot of D players in the NFL.

 

[Darth Snow]

Don't forget, Mr. Bear, that by doing this divisional alignment, you screw over ASU and AU as well as UU and CU. What loyalty will those schools feel towards the cali bloc? None. UT will be whispering in lots of ears. Cali arrogance is NOTHING on Texass arrogance, but it can still lead you right into a trap.

 

[NashBuff]

Don't forget, Mr. Bear, that by doing this divisional alignment, you screw over ASU and AU as well as UU and CU. What loyalty will those schools feel towards the cali bloc? None. UT will be whispering in lots of ears. Cali arrogance is NOTHING on Texass arrogance, but it can still lead you right into a trap.

Plus that Pac-16 East division can form their own conference with BYU, CSU, SDSU, and Frenso State to form a very solid 12 team division. Invite KU, KSU, MU, and ISU and you got the 16 team Super Conference with the Pac-8 schools looking from the outside.

The Pac-8 schools will come to their senses and allow this to happen with pod scheduling.

 

[wsp4820]

Don't forget, Mr. Bear, that by doing this divisional alignment, you screw over ASU and AU as well as UU and CU. What loyalty will those schools feel towards the cali bloc? None. UT will be whispering in lots of ears. Cali arrogance is NOTHING on Texass arrogance, but it can still lead you right into a trap.

Wait for it.

 

[Darth Snow]

wait for it.

fish head!?

 

[Cal84]

Don't forget, Mr. Bear, that by doing this divisional alignment, you screw over ASU and AU as well as UU and CU. What loyalty will those schools feel towards the cali bloc? None.

It's hard to respond to one someone who threatens you with allying with a megalomaniac. C'mon you guys can't with a straight face post dozens of messages proclaiming that Texass is the anti-Christ and then post that you'd fall at their feet and help blow yourself up instead of being a stand-up citizen of the conference that saved you from their clutches.

You guys just lack some confidence. Go out there and beat up CSU and Fraud State and we'll all feel better in the morning.

 

[wsp4820]

fish head!?

 

[TimmyDUBs]

I would love to see the other eleven university presidents raise a unified middle finger towards Texas.