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Legit question: Are we better than last year?

seattlebuff

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I was thinking maybe 10-15% better than last year, after seeing the CSU and CARK games. Now I'm thinking maybe 5% at most, maybe not at all. If you think about last year, we were 1-2 plays away from wins in the Sac State and Utah games, maybe even CSU. And we had some key injuries last year.

This year, we were 1-2 plays away from losing the CSU and CARK games. And we've had no injuries. And we're the laughing stock of the league again. I guess I just see a tiny, tiny bit of improvement, but overall we are just top to bottom awful. Charleston Southern is no given.
 
We are a little better than last year.

We beat a CSU team that's a little better than the CSU team we lost to in 2012

We beat a Central Arkansas team that's better than Sacramento State was in 2012

We're getting pounded in conference play, but in the end it will prove that we're a little better than last year here, too.
 
We are better. But still a long way to go. Coach Mac has to recruit for speed. Can't recruit like he is still at San Jose State.
 
We also fought hard with Oregon, not something we did last year.

On the other side, we hung with ASU last year. We got Fresno'd this year by them. Cal and Arizona games will be telling.
 
Maybe I was nuts but I thought we'd be a little better on offense this year. Through the first two games we were. Not seeing a huge difference right now. I do like the Sefo move. Might as well build something for the future now.


I knew the defense would suck so that's not a surprise.
 
Our OL was better last year.

I also think that Embree emphasized improving on the road so much that it paid some dividends and the team is regressing there.

Everywhere else, we are better this year.

Problem is, I don't think everyone fully appreciates just how bad this team was last year. As awful as we thought it was, it was actually worse. So we can actually be considerably better and still get whipped by good teams. And we've played 3 really good teams in a row.
 
Buffnik said:
Our OL was better last year.

I also think that Embree emphasized improving on the road so much that it paid some dividends and the team is regressing there.

Everywhere else, we are better this year.

Problem is, I don't think everyone fully appreciates just how bad this team was last year. As awful as we thought it was, it was actually worse. So we can actually be considerably better and still get whipped by good teams. And we've played 3 really good teams in a row.
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How so? 3 games in and 3 30 point losses
 
Personally, 30 point losses were expected. I just wanted to go into halftime within a TD for every team not named Oregon. We aren't even close to that. We don't have the horses for 4 quarters, but tonight showed we don't have them for 1 quarter against a middling Pac12 team.
 
Two things;

seattlebuff said:
I was thinking maybe 10-15% better than last year, after seeing the CSU and CARK games. Now I'm thinking maybe 5% at most, maybe not at all. If you think about last year, we were 1-2 plays away from wins in the Sac State and Utah games, maybe even CSU. And we had some key injuries last year.

This year, we were 1-2 plays away from losing the CSU and CARK games. And we've had no injuries. And we're the laughing stock of the league again. I guess I just see a tiny, tiny bit of improvement, but overall we are just top to bottom awful. Charleston Southern is no given.
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1. We're (hopefully) in better hands now than we were under the last two coaches. That means better game planning, better practices, better preparation, leading to better outcomes.

CVilleBuff said:
We are a little better than last year.

We beat a CSU team that's a little better than the CSU team we lost to in 2012

We beat a Central Arkansas team that's better than Sacramento State was in 2012

We're getting pounded in conference play, but in the end it will prove that we're a little better than last year here, too.
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2. Unfortunately, our talent deficits are not something even the best coaches can repair. And we still have a lot of kids that were not highly recruited and were using them as starters. There are a few gems in there but it's probably obvious to other teams how to rattle us and how to beat us.

I'm hopeful that McIntyre books a solid recruiting class this spring. He seems to be better at engineering a win and calling game and keeping the team focused. But he has yet to show us his talent recruiting wise.

In the words of another former coach; we'll see. Now somebody juicebox me.
 
NMBuff said:
Personally, 30 point losses were expected. I just wanted to go into halftime within a TD for every team not named Oregon. We aren't even close to that. We don't have the horses for 4 quarters, but tonight showed we don't have them for 1 quarter against a middling Pac12 team.
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ASU isn't a middling PAC-12 team, they were picked to win the south, and will compete for that. Not that you're wrong, but they have a lot of horses. We actually proved your point already against Oregon St., after which some people here were still picking us to win 5-6 games. I'm sticking with my original 2-10, modified to 3-9 by getting the second FCS team.
 
It appeared so following the CSU and Central Ark games.

But there is no difference in conference play, unless you are prone to quibble about the exact moment in the first half when it's obvious that the game is out if reach.
 
OL play has regressed, otherwise we look better than last year. I would not say competitive, just better.
ASU is a very good team, playing at home, coming of a huge boost of confidence (USC win), not exactly the recipe for hope for a struggling Buffs team.
 
We haven't looked good on the road this year. At least we came out and competed for a while against the ducks at home. Let's see how it goes against Arizona.
 
Not really. Until the offense can show up most weeks and actually keep us in games, nothing else really matters.
 
'Tini said:
Go ahead and explain that for us
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Last year PRich was not playing. And it was Embree's fault.

This year CU is getting destroyed in conference games even with an amazing playmaker on the field and a coach with a reputation for being a master of turning things around.
 
Skidmark said:
Last year PRich was not playing. And it was Embree's fault.

This year CU is getting destroyed in conference games even with an amazing playmaker on the field and a coach with a reputation for being a master of turning things around.
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In year 1 vs. year 2

With or without PRich, there was no excuse to lose the first two games last year. We had the lead and made no adjustments. So with PRich we are a better team. We had no PRich last year. Thus, we are a better team this year because we have PRich back and have beaten the teams we were supposed to, unlike last year.


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Direction is better in terms of coaching, but line play on both sides appears to be a huge gap in talent. I was watching that Utah game and thinking that their line play is so far beyond anything we demonstrated on either side of the ball. Yikes. Our recruiting focus had better be headed in that direction.
 
'Tini said:
In year 1 vs. year 2

With or without PRich, there was no excuse to lose the first two games last year. We had the lead and made no adjustments. So with PRich we are a better team. We had no PRich last year. Thus, we are a better team this year because we have PRich back and have beaten the teams we were supposed to, unlike last year.


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Take the 2012 OOC games off the table and focus on P12 games.
What do you see that is better in 2013?

A blow out is a blow out.
 
Skidmark said:
Take the 2012 OOC games off the table and focus on P12 games.
What do you see that is better in 2013?

A blow out is a blow out.
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So why is the conference schedule the only measure as to whether this team is better or not? We play 12 games, not 9.


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'Tini said:
So why is the conference schedule the only measure as to whether this team is better or not? We play 12 games, not 9.


Sent from a red light
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Translation, "I cannot really point to us being better in any way based on conference play to this point, so I'm forced to rely on the OOC record to support my argument." Appreciate your attempt at being optimistic Tini, but it's okay to acknowledge that we're really struggling right now, about as bad as we were last year. This does not mean that we won't be better going forward, but right now it's pretty grim.
 
'Tini said:
So why is the conference schedule the only measure as to whether this team is better or not? We play 12 games, not 9.


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Conference play is the real barometer. The teams/programs are the same from year to year.

It is nice we have a shot at 3-0 OOC (easy schedule helps), but that becomes rather meaningless if we go winless in the PAC-12.
 
zbuff said:
ASU isn't a middling PAC-12 team, they were picked to win the south, and will compete for that. Not that you're wrong, but they have a lot of horses. We actually proved your point already against Oregon St., after which some people here were still picking us to win 5-6 games. I'm sticking with my original 2-10, modified to 3-9 by getting the second FCS team.
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Asu lost to a mediocre notre dame and got stomped by Stanford. The pac12 south is like the old big 12 north, at least now. UCLA looks like they are the only very strong team, but that QB is meh.

Tim will tell how good they really are: they can put up points, but their defense isn't good enough to win the pac12.
 
lawdogg said:
Translation, "I cannot really point to us being better in any way based on conference play to this point, so I'm forced to rely on the OOC record to support my argument." Appreciate your attempt at being optimistic Tini, but it's okay to acknowledge that we're really struggling right now, about as bad as we were last year. This does not mean that we won't be better going forward, but right now it's pretty grim.
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We are struggling now (understatement) in conference play, but I think everyone expected it. We knew we were going to get boat raced by Oregon and ASU, and OSU was just awful. As far as the whole schedule goes though, we are a better team in that we didn't lose to a FCS team and beat CSU, unlike last year. We're going to get killed by Furd, UCLA, and UW but the telling games are going to be Cal and Arizona. Both are games we have a reasonable chance in.

I'm not implying we are better in conference play, because we haven't shown much (although the 1st Q against Oregon was good) but overall we are better.


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