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Loser Mentality

Jaximus

Jaximus

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Most painful loss that I can remember.

The good...
Our defense stepped up and held UCLA to 27 points. You deserve better.

Phil Lindsay plays his ****ing heart out. He deserves better.

Montez makes amazing plays despite the bad OL and play calling. He deserves a real OC/QB coach.


The horrible
We are plagued with a loser mentality on offense. The same mental errors that I believe are part of the loser culture that has infected our program for years. We had a chance to keep ramming up down UCLA's throat and take the lead. Instead we piss down our legs and kick a FG and HOPE our defense could hold UCLA one last time. This is NOT new. Last year, our defense was good enough to bail out the offense and win games.

This year, the offense was supposed to be our strength.

We obviously have the talent on offense to score 40 points in this game. We should be Texas Tech. But our players don't believe in themselves. Our coaches can't manage a game.

Mac is a good defensive coach who has produced badass DBs and a solid D. He needs an experienced and savvy OC.

It's time for a change. Shake things up now.
 
I don't know. I mean, yes, fire lindgren. Totally.

I don't ever like taking points off the board unless it's late and you're down. The decision to fake fg was just bad. If we make that we are kicking a fg for the win instead of a Hail Mary.

But, on the road, you may be right. Driving hard you go for 7 instead of three.
 
Somebody has to step up and make a play eventually... right?
 
Buffnik said:
Somebody has to step up and make a play eventually... right?
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Totally. We have the athletes to get it done. But they lack the swagger you see in a deadly offense. They haven't had it this year at all. We've seen flashes of dominance, like the 1st drive against Washington and a bunch this game.

It's like a cancer. We need chemo. A leadership change. Something to light the fire under their asses to start playing like some bad dudes instead of nervous kids.
 
I don't buy the loser mentality. These guys fought hard. Our offensive line and wide receivers were totally overrated going into the season. This is an average offense at best. That's on Lingren and I wouldn't mind seeing him go and getting a top flight offensive coordinator in Boulder.
 
Buffnik said:
Somebody has to step up and make a play eventually... right?
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I'd say Montez and Lindsay have been. Even JM made some good grabs. The rest of the receivers look mediocre at best.

The O-Line is just baaaaad.

Props to the D and to Stefanou tonight.

We absolutely need to get bigger and more physical up front on both sides. The program won't get any better until that happens.
 
Bufffan68 said:
I don't buy the loser mentality. These guys fought hard. Our offensive line and wide receivers were totally overrated going into the season. This is an average offense at best. That's on Lingren and I wouldn't mind seeing him go and getting a top flight offensive coordinator in Boulder.
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Average at best?! We have a top 5 WR group. A top end RB who can put the team on his back. A QB who has more freakish athletic ability than any QB we've had since Kordell. A makeshift OL who needs to mature is our only weakness.

There is no excuse for not scoring over 30 against UCLA. Memphis scored 48 against them and just scored 13 against UCF today!!!

C'mon dude. This is a mental cancer. A total mind ****. It doesn't matter who it is each week. There is always a weak link in the chain. We lack the killer mentality entirely. We have a bunch of scared kids who don't realize how good they could be. No composure. No clutchness.
 
Bufffan68 said:
I don't buy the loser mentality. These guys fought hard. Our offensive line and wide receivers were totally overrated going into the season. This is an average offense at best. That's on Lingren and I wouldn't mind seeing him go and getting a top flight offensive coordinator in Boulder.
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Jaximus is right. We gotta ditch this loser mentality. We've got the talent and heart, it's just failure on our part to play the game we could.

....personally, I think the blame lands squarely on Jaximus.
 
i find that the more whiskey i drink to cure this loss, the looser mentality i have.

the sun will come out tomorrow. and, i kinda agree with mm-- i think this team is going to win a lot of games still this year. we'll look back on this one and it will sting more because it is going to cost us poll and bowl position down the road.

peace.out.

Go Buffs.
 
I think you are on to something with the Loser Mentality, but I do not think it is exactly what you are describing. IF, you do not believe in your leader (LINDGREN) and the creativity and decisions they present to you, then you are not excited to run the plays that are called. Last year when Sefo was running the ball 20 times, I could see the body language of PL and the receivers like saying "Oh ****, here we go again with QB sneak, yawn". This year, I can tell when a good play call is coming, and then I can tell when a really crappy play call is coming.

Can someone with solid football background give me some thoughts on why if you call a very good play that works, why you do not go right back to it within a couple of plays until they stop it? The inverted wishbone formation with 3 players in the backfield behind Montez in the pistol looks to be a very, very effective play and sets up lots of options.
 
Can anyone explain to me the fake fg at the end of the first half? You are down 1 point going into half at that point. You know you are in a dog fight, so why not take the points? MM has never done this before and don't understand it. Even if you get the touchdown, I still don't understand the call when you get the ball to begin the second half.
 
Foolish and irrational. If there were a place to pin the loss, 8 points were lost tonight via dropped passes in the end zone.

Second hand blame is on the fake FG. Lesson there is when you have a good kicker, take the points.

Third hand blame is on a few of the play calls, only a handful of which I disagreed with.

There was no loser mentality within this team. Only manufactured in the OPs opinion. If anybody disagrees please offer an example, because I must have missed it.
 
Gramburglar said:
Foolish and irrational. If there were a place to pin the loss, 8 points were lost tonight via dropped passes in the end zone.

Second hand blame is on the fake FG. Lesson there is when you have a good kicker, take the points.

Third hand blame is on a few of the play calls, only a handful of which I disagreed with.

There was no loser mentality within this team. Only manufactured in the OPs opinion. If anybody disagrees please offer an example, because I must have missed it.
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You literally made my point for me...

Loser Mentality by players AND coaches on offense in key situations. We had chances to stomp throats, but we wilted like a little pussy willows.

We have the talent. We lost this game on mental mistakes. Washington was different, we had to get lucky and play perfect to win that game. I didn't like it, but I expected it. We should have had this one. It can become an epidemic and it can spread fast.
 
Jaximus said:
You literally made my point for me...

Loser Mentality by players AND coaches on offense in key situations. We had chances to stomp throats, but we wilted like a little ***** willows.

We have the talent. We lost this game on mental mistakes. Washington was different, we had to get lucky and play perfect to win that game. I didn't like it, but I expected it. We should have had this one. It can become an epidemic and it can spread fast.
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First, you yet to make a clear point in any of your posts and no semblance of an argument...yet.

Second, please elaborate how your point is proven given the hierarchy of three points I listed. I had asked for examples. In your the response you provided none.

Two dropped passes, however crucial do not permit allowance for a an inference team wide mindset.
 
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I don't believe keeping coach Lindgren is in the best interests of the team but I also do not believe the team suffers from a "losers mentality" on offense. There is a big difference between this team and Hawkins clubs. We won a tough game against the Bruins at home last year and we lose a tough game on the road against the Bruins this year. This team is not as good as last years team was and I believe that was the expectation at the start of the season.
 
I dont think its a loser mentality. I think most players are doing the best they can, thats what is scary.
 
It's still a team that has small margins for victory. The talent level (coaching and playing) while much better than the Hawkins years, still leaves little room for error and still come out of a game with a win.

I am having trouble seeing a loser mentality outside of some in the fan base. I guess I'd have to see the definition of "loser mentality" as it applies to a football team. After the decade of suck I understand the outlook. The performance last year (small margins then too) set some expectations for this year that the team is not living up to. This is certainly true WRT the offense, we all had expectations well above the results thus far.

Honestly, I thought last night's game was one of the team's better performances this year. Still not much margin for errors. I thought the offense took a step forward, but a couple of drops really hurt. Bobo's holding on the Montez run didn't help either. I thought Montez looked better last night and is taking a step forward in his maturation as a starting QB. My impression of the defense was about the same as previous games, but the line still struggles to put pressure on a QB. It is clear that the D can't carry the team to victory like last year.

As for the fake FG, I have no problem with the attempt. For everybody looking for more aggressiveness "step on their throats" type of coaching, in my mind, that's what that call was. Failed to execute, but not a bad call at that point. If they succeed, it is a huge momentum play going into the half. The risk was losing out on 3 points, but knowing that you got the ball right back after half. My biggest complaint on this series of events was the 3 and out performance in the first drive of the second half that then resulted in good UCLA field position and a TD drive. If you are going to take the fake FG risk, you must perform in the following drive. The penalty on the return and crappy snap on 3rd down, set CU back much further than the botched fake FG.

Funny though... turn a couple of those dropped passes into catches and the thread title may well have been "They're beginning to develop a Clutch Gene."
 
I'm not smart enough to know about the "mentality" of this team. I am smart enough to recognize bad football when I see it an all year long we have been asked to excuse "bad football." We were told that it will come together blah blah blah.
Holding calls, bad snaps, chop blocks, dropped passes, all cost us points yesterday and are the real problem with this team. These type of miscues have been going on all season and are a much bigger problem than any "mentality."
Bad football is caused by lack of attention to detail, and I put this on all of the coaches (cheverinni as well).
 
Loser mentality is a team and staff collectively finding ways to lose in key situations. AKA non-clutch

Everyone pitched in on the **** ups in key situations.

Center bad snap on 3rd down
OL with holding penalties on big plays
WRs dropping great passes for 1st downs or TDs
Montez throwing an uncatchable ball on a hail mary
OC running the ball between the 20s for chunks of yards, then getting cute in the red zone
Head coach not taking easy points

The only consistent is Lindsay being clutch and everyone else taking turns ****ing up.
 
Jaximus said:
Most painful loss that I can remember.

The good...
Our defense stepped up and held UCLA to 27 points. You deserve better.

Phil Lindsay plays his ****ing heart out. He deserves better.

Montez makes amazing plays despite the bad OL and play calling. He deserves a real OC/QB coach.


The horrible
We are plagued with a loser mentality on offense. The same mental errors that I believe are part of the loser culture that has infected our program for years. We had a chance to keep ramming up down UCLA's throat and take the lead. Instead we piss down our legs and kick a FG and HOPE our defense could hold UCLA one last time. This is NOT new. Last year, our defense was good enough to bail out the offense and win games.

This year, the offense was supposed to be our strength.

We obviously have the talent on offense to score 40 points in this game. We should be Texas Tech. But our players don't believe in themselves. Our coaches can't manage a game.

Mac is a good defensive coach who has produced badass DBs and a solid D. He needs an experienced and savvy OC.

It's time for a change. Shake things up now.
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This is the most painful loss you can remember?
 
Gary Indiana said:
This is the most painful loss you can remember?
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In a clear situation to me where we had the talent and opportunities to win a big conference road game in front of the LA recruiting hotbed, this one was more painful than the losses we've had for years.

It sucked when we lost games with inferior talent, but we were only hoping to win. We overachieved last year and lost to teams with far superior athletes.

I rank this up there with Hawkins blowing a 28 point lead in Kansas.
 
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