Mark Kennedy new, but soon to be old CU President - Official CU president Thread

[Liver]

How about giving the Regent bashing a break? It's tremendously unfair, as absolutely none of you were involved in this process have no idea what you're talking about.

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the allegation that the republican majority "required" that the finalist be a republican is quite troubling, if true. that would have significantly reduced the number of qualified candidates seriously considered. academia skews left. that's a fact. and, an institution like CU is historically liberal. who the university president is impacts the ability of the university to attract and retain talented professors. our prestige and ability to improve our ranking are directly tied to our ability to get highly respected academic types to come here, stay here, and get grant money.

the purported politicization of the process, ending up with a republican who in the past held some views that the wide pool of academics would find objectionable is a problem and will have a lasting negative effect.

i set forth the right criteria above and it doesn't require either an R or D next to one's name as a prerequisite. allegedly.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

the allegation that the republican majority "required" that the finalist be a republican is[/B] quite troubling, if true. that would have significantly reduced the number of qualified candidates seriously considered. academia skews left. that's a fact. and, an institution like CU is historically liberal. who the university president is impacts the ability of the university to attract and retain talented professors. our prestige and ability to improve our ranking are directly tied to our ability to get highly respected academic types to come here, stay here, and get grant money.

the purported politicization of the process, ending up with a republican who in the past held some views that the wide pool of academics would find objectionable is a problem and will have a lasting negative effect.

i set forth the right criteria above and it doesn't require either an R or D next to one's name as a prerequisite. allegedly.

This allegation is patently false and an attempt to hijack the process in an effort to delay the appointment until the next election.

 

[Liver]

This allegation is patently false and an attempt to hijack the process in an effort to delay the appointment until the next election.

i hope that is true (the first part) and i hope the second part is false! it is apparently going to play out in typical CU steps on its own swinging richard fashion.

 

[dio]

What is your source that contradicts the Daily Camera reporter?

 

[Not Sure]

I don’t think anybody was talking about disqualification for politics. More it was a concern to be addressed. There’s a pretty big gap between those things.

Oh, I think there are a lot of people trying to disqualify him for his politics. But it’s probably a moot point anyway. I think it’s unlikely he gets the job after all this.

 

[Not Sure]

who the university president is impacts the ability of the university to attract and retain talented professors. our prestige and ability to improve our ranking are directly tied to our ability to get highly respected academic types to come here, stay here, and get grant money.

Im not going to address the rest of your post, but I have a question on this part... do you think CU has had a difficult time attracting and retaining talented professors while Hank Brown and Bruce Benson have been President?

 

[Creebuzz]

What is your source that contradicts the Daily Camera reporter?

Linked below is the Daily Camera article you are referring to. It is Linda Shoemaker that makes the “allegations”, although I’m not sure it’s really qualifies as much of an allegation, more like a statement that the republican regents were in favor of two republican candidates. Democrats Shoemaker was in favor of a Democrat candidate. Shocker.

What is apparent is Linda Shoemaker is a complete moron. She says that the committee withheld his voting record in Congress, which would be relevant information to her. Listen Linda, there is this thing called google. It took me and other Allbuffs members less than five minutes to find his voting record.

Mark Kennedy can go, fine. But please take Linda Shoemaker with him.

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/...iversity-colorado-regents-defend-presidential

 

[dio]

I'm not denying that Shoemaker is an idiot, but the reporter explicit answers the question that the search committee was working specifically for the Republican majority, and that the Republican majority picked the candidates.

 

[Creebuzz]

I'm not denying that Shoemaker is an idiot, but the reporter explicit answers the question that the search committee was working specifically for the Republican majority, and that the Republican majority picked the candidates.

I personally have every intention to vote for Democrats in 2020, and I don’t support most of Rep Kennedy’s votes in Congress. However, to suggest some sort of conspiracy when republican regents support republican candidates seems like a stretch. Why did she vote yes to advance him as a finalist if she felt railroaded? It’s not like Shoemaker objects to making noise or voting no on other matters.

 

[Liver]

Im not going to address the rest of your post, but I have a question on this part... do you think CU has had a difficult time attracting and retaining talented professors while Hank Brown and Bruce Benson have been President?

no, because those hires were not political hires. yes, they happened to be republicans. but, except for the lunatic fringe of the far left, when they served, i don't think anyone would have disqualified them (or recommended them to be hired) based upon their political affiliation.

i do not know the source(s) of the allegation that being a republican was a prerequisite from the republican majority, but if the source is solely ms. shoemaker then i do not find it to be credible.

if we do have to go back to the drawing board, the key for me will be that they hire someone qualified to do the job and serve all of the interests of university system including athletics.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

I do not have enough energy or time to be fully engaged in this, but I have two questions that will clear things up for me:

1) Does this guy love Athletics?

2) Is he a Bush Republican or a Trump Republican?

It is not one party anymore, just like there is not one Democrat party anymore! The farthest left and the farthest right just have the most fervor and make the most noise. 40+% of Americans are Moderates that just want good people to do good things.

 

[hawg1]

I do not have enough energy or time to be fully engaged in this, but I have two questions that will clear things up for me:

1) Does this guy love Athletics?

2) Is he a Bush Republican or a Trump Republican?

It is not one party anymore, just like there is not one Democrat party anymore! The farthest left and the farthest right just have the most fervor and make the most noise. 40+% of Americans are Moderates that just want good people to do good things.

3) what are this man’s convictions?

 

[Mb2658]

3) what are this man’s convictions?

4) What is his favorite dish at Pasta Jay’s?

 

[SuperiorBuff]

i hope that is true (the first part) and i hope the second part is false! it is apparently going to play out in typical CU steps on its own swinging richard fashion.

Unfortunately, the entire statement is true.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

What is your source that contradicts the Daily Camera reporter?

I can't say, but it is more accurate than hers.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

Linked below is the Daily Camera article you are referring to. It is Linda Shoemaker that makes the “allegations”, although I’m not sure it’s really qualifies as much of an allegation, more like a statement that the republican regents were in favor of two republican candidates. Democrats Shoemaker was in favor of a Democrat candidate. Shocker.

What is apparent is Linda Shoemaker is a complete moron. She says that the committee withheld his voting record in Congress, which would be relevant information to her. Listen Linda, there is this thing called google. It took me and other Allbuffs members less than five minutes to find his voting record.

Mark Kennedy can go, fine. But please take Linda Shoemaker with him.

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/...iversity-colorado-regents-defend-presidential

The committee withheld nothing. Shoemaker is grandstanding at best , and flat out fabricating for her political agenda.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

I'm not denying that Shoemaker is an idiot, but the reporter explicit answers the question that the search committee was working specifically for the Republican majority, and that the Republican majority picked the candidates.

The committee was co-chaired by a Republican and a Democrat from the Board of Regents.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

no, because those hires were not political hires. yes, they happened to be republicans. but, except for the lunatic fringe of the far left, when they served, i don't think anyone would have disqualified them (or recommended them to be hired) based upon their political affiliation.

i do not know the source(s) of the allegation that being a republican was a prerequisite from the republican majority, but if the source is solely ms. shoemaker then i do not find it to be credible.

if we do have to go back to the drawing board, the key for me will be that they hire someone qualified to do the job and serve all of the interests of university system including athletics.

There was a ****storm when Benson was selected. The Narrative was how unqualified he was from an academic standpoint and that if anything all he could do would be fundraising.

 

[Not Sure]

There was quite the firestorm over the selection of Bruce Benson as President of CU. He could weather it because he had solid ties to the University, was an alumnus, and had given a ****load of money to the school. Kennedy has none of those attributes.

 

[MtnBuff]

There was a ****storm when Benson was selected. The Narrative was how unqualified he was from an academic standpoint and that if anything all he could do would be fundraising.

Betsy Hoffman was highly qualified from an academic standpoint and we are still recovering. Dr. Phil comes directly from the academic world, should we promote him.

The university is an academic institution so that can't be ignored but the President of the university isn't teaching classes, deciding curriculum, or hiring professors. Instead he/she is a CEO managing budgets, supervising the heads of various different functions including the schools that make up the university.

I honestly don't know enough about Kennedy to know if he is a good or bad candidate but this idea that a university leader has to have been an academic is as ridiculous as saying the the CEO of a hospital had to have been a doctor or the CEO of a construction company had to have been a trades person. These experiences certainly don't disqualify them and at times may even be helpful but certainly aren't the most critical qualifications.

 

[Bread]

They held out/voted against Tucker’s contract because they are anti spending big money on football/athletics, not because he’s black. But, you’re right, if you play the race card, people will agree with you and be big mad about it.

I actually disagree here. The two that are anti-spending big money on football/athletics were on the board when MacIntyre's contract was approved without a hiccup and his was approved for more than Tucker's was. It seems odd that all of a sudden, they want to grandstand when an African-American coach is getting hired for less money than the previous coach but unanimously approve MacIntyre's extension IIRC.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

I actually disagree here. The two that are anti-spending big money on football/athletics were on the board when MacIntyre's contract was approved without a hiccup and his was approved for more than Tucker's was. It seems odd that all of a sudden, they want to grandstand when an African-American coach is getting hired for less money than the previous coach but unanimously approve MacIntyre's extension IIRC.

I think you missed something. There was a lot of talk that multiple Regents were lobbying the others to not approve MM's extension. It was to the point where some people with knowledge of the situation said it was actually a pretty split decision at one point. Cooler heads ultimately prevailed, though and it passed 8-0 with one Regent (Think it was Shoemaker?) abstaining in what was essentially a show a protest.

Any issue with the Head Football Coach's contract is an anti-athletics stance, not a race issue.

 

[Bread]

I think you missed something. There was a lot of talk that multiple Regents were lobbying the others to not approve MM's extension. It was to the point where some people with knowledge of the situation said it was actually a pretty split decision at one point. Cooler heads ultimately prevailed, though and it passed 8-0 with one Regent (Think it was Shoemaker?) abstaining in what was essentially a show a protest.

Any issue with the Head Football Coach's contract is an anti-athletics stance, not a race issue.

Fair enough. I was not on this board and partaking in these conversations, this was just my outside POV for 2016. But thank you for that info, I was not aware of it.

 

[dio]

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/...mera&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com

DailyCamera article on the protest in Boulder today. Most of it is pretty typical for a protest, but I thought this was interesting

Johnnie Nguyen, a first-generation law student, told the Daily Camera that he had applied to be a student representative on the presidential search committee. He presented letters of recommendation from each student body president across the system, he said.
Instead, the regents chose a staff member from the conservative legal thought department, he said.

I know that Superior has his sources, but perhaps his source has their own reason for framing the situation.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Amidst all of the hand wringing around the candidate’s politics, is there any indication one way or the other about Kennedy’s potential impact on the athletic department?

Is he better or worse than Benson in this regard?

My gut tells me Kennedy < Benson:

-1 NDU AD program cuts
-2 reports of sour NDU booster relationships
-3 absence of any quotes / pictures showing any kind of passion for sports.
-4 no reports of writing large checks to any AD.

What it would take for me to be interested...
1) Rick George and/or any P5 fan base showing respect and envy around how Kennedy is exactly what the CUAD needs
2) A sense of what happens next to Phil DeStefano and some comment about how the chancellor of the Boulder campus must fight hard to fix the P12 Network problem:
3) A sense that this guy is the best that CU is capable of hiring.


I’m having trouble getting behind Kennedy knowing that his ties to both CU and his passion for athletics appear to be slim to none. Add in the circus surrounding his voting record and red flags from NDU, and things aren’t adding up.

I’d be more foregiving about the political red flags if the guy led a peer university that made it to a final four and/or cheered on a football program with a bunch of 10+ win seasons.

 

[Bison]

I addressed 1 & 2 earlier in this thread.

1. State cut the budget for the school and given that UND is a FCS school, the cuts we're going to happen anyway. No one likes to see their athletic department cut sports. FCS athletic departments really do bleed money compared to FBS. Same thing could happen at CSU since they Are not P5 either.

2. You need to read the history between the donor family and the school especially over the Fighting Sioux nickname. It's a Boone T Pickens-esque situation.

3 & 4 are valid but the CU AD needs to keep in touch with donors and stuff like that. Winning football will begat more donation $.

 

[Deleted member 807]

I addressed 1 & 2 earlier in this thread.

1. State cut the budget for the school and given that UND is a FCS school, the cuts we're going to happen anyway. No one likes to see their athletic department cut sports. FCS athletic departments really do bleed money compared to FBS. Same thing could happen at CSU since they Are not P5 either.

2. You need to read the history between the donor family and the school especially over the Fighting Sioux nickname. It's a Boone T Pickens-esque situation.

3 & 4 are valid but the CU AD needs to keep in touch with donors and stuff like that. Winning football will begat more donation $.

Net this our for me, please.

IYHO, knowing what you know, is Kennedy an upgrade, on par with, or less attractive than Benson.

 

[Liver]

We haven’t gotten crushed in the national media yet. I guess I count small blessings.

 

[Not Sure]

We haven’t gotten crushed in the national media yet. I guess I count small blessings.

Double edged sword. We haven’t been crushed because nobody is really paying attention to us.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/...mera&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com

DailyCamera article on the protest in Boulder today. Most of it is pretty typical for a protest, but I thought this was interesting



I know that Superior has his sources, but perhaps his source has their own reason for framing the situation.

That individual is bitter because another person from his department was chosen, unanimously over him.

The board also listened to feedback and added another person to the committee, the head of undergraduate students for the entire UCCS system.

The search committee was truly bipartisan with some conservative and very liberal members. Again, anyone who says that it was stacked has an agenda.